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Dave's Santisima Trinidad Build - First Wooden Ship Build Options
davetwin
#1 Posted : 12 June 2015 20:19:40

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Please dont get too excited just yet, I though I would just kick of my build diary with some pictures of what I have received so far.

Today I received pack 13 of 33 and decided I would spend the day sorting through all the parts and organising them. Hopefully the pictures will give others who haven't built these plank on frame ships how much wood is actually involved, LOTS [blink]

The quality of the wood supplied looks and feels really good and so do all the cast parts too [drool]

Planks and strips all sorted into sizes, I realised that some of the same size are a different colour so will need to be careful I check the instructions carefully when I start



Massive pile of planking strips, these are 2 x 5 x 250mm




These ones confused me as the in the instructions (61, 62, 63 & 64) it says they are 2 x 5 x 250mm however they are actually 1 x 5 x 250mm.

Perhaps someone who has built to this stage can advise [confused] [confused]



Lots and lots of little bits all sorted, there are a massive pile of pins supplied [blink] I wouldnt want to drop them on the floor [lol]



More wood





This shows some pictures of the cross section parts, I havent sorted these

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#2 Posted : 12 June 2015 20:53:53

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#3 Posted : 12 June 2015 22:31:49

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stevie_o wrote:
Well I did get excited Dave[biggrin], thought you were about to start[laugh] be good to see another Trinny on here, looking forward to it anyway!

Steve


Sorry to dissappoint Steve, I think I am getting close to starting to be honest as of late I have been reading a lot of plank on frame builds and even the Trinny manual a lot [biggrin]

I think I have solved my dilema I mentioned above. In stages 61, 62, 63 & 64 'Your parts' section lists 2 x 5 x 250 strips but the actual strips in the pack are 1 x 5 x 250. After studying the instructions it would appear that in stage 62 Step D it says to glue a 2 x 5 strip below the first gun port, the same strips are then used going up the hull in the rest of the stages. Looking closely it seems the strip that are being used are in fact the 1 x 5 that were supplied in those stages.
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[biggrin] Hi Dave

Nice to see another build on the go.

The hull is double planked using the planks you have now as the first layer then the bow and stern infills are added and the second half mm planking added this will make a very strong hull so I would not worry too much about the initial planking.
The rule of thumb here is to get the lay of the planks flat and butted up to each other with a minimum of gaps this is done by tapering the top edge to fit the upper plank and dont forget also that some longitudinal tapering will also be needed in places.

good luck with her

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arpurchase wrote:
[biggrin] Hi Dave

Nice to see another build on the go.

The hull is double planked using the planks you have now as the first layer then the bow and stern infills are added and the second half mm planking added this will make a very strong hull so I would not worry too much about the initial planking.
The rule of thumb here is to get the lay of the planks flat and butted up to each other with a minimum of gaps this is done by tapering the top edge to fit the upper plank and dont forget also that some longitudinal tapering will also be needed in places.

good luck with her

Andy[cool]


Thanks Andy

I think I am now starting to understand the planking stage, guess I will see when I actually start putting it into practive [biggrin]

It was just the mis quoted parts in the stages 61, 62, 63, & 64 that were confusing me when I was sorting the parts out.
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#7 Posted : 14 June 2015 22:34:00

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I picked up some wall mounted stoarge drawers from Aldi yesterday so decided to tidy up my work area and mount them.

All nice and tidy



A temp spray booth



Another work area




OK OK, enough with the teasing;

It Begins

NB: This is my very first Plank on frame build so if you see anything that doesnt look right please let me know [biggrin]

After work area sorted I got the Trinny out the box [biggrin] Progress so far, I decided to just move on with the ribs for now rather than following the instructions to the letter as this seems to be a popular thing to do.





Adice needed I dry fitted the deck to help with the alignment of the ribs, if you look closely at the picture you can see that the deck doesnt quite meet with rib 2. All the other ribs are pushed home fully and the deck meets all the other ribs just fine, does any think it will pose a problem?















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#8 Posted : 14 June 2015 23:13:35

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[biggrin] Hi Dave nice start the deck your using I think fits on the next deck down but it should lay flat on the formers[cool]
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arpurchase wrote:
[biggrin] Hi Dave nice start the deck your using I think fits on the next deck down but it should lay flat on the formers[cool]


Thanks Andy, Ive double checked and it is the right deck for the position however after stufying my pictures I think the 1st rib might not be pushed hime all the way which has raised the front if the deck slightly, I will double check tomorrow

What size board would you recommend to use to build on?
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#10 Posted : 15 June 2015 00:02:33

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Hi Dave, great to see you take on the challenge of a plank on frame build. Don't think you will regret this one as she is a beautiful ship and you'll learn lots to techniques in the process... Good luck with the build, will be following your progress all the way....[cool] [cool]

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#11 Posted : 15 June 2015 00:31:34

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#12 Posted : 15 June 2015 07:12:37

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[biggrin] Hi Dave lovely start will be following [thumbup]

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Thanks Alan, Steve and Martyn

I will get the rest of the ribs fitted first so I can make sure everything is straight and the lower decks sit flat then I will redo rib 1 [biggrin]

Just wondering what size board is needed that will fit this
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[biggrin] Hi Dave

I use a solid pine plank 42 mm thick and around 1 metre long I have a longer one of the same thickness for models like the Akagi or Yamato.
I got my boards from a saw mill as off cuts at around a £5 each. Hope this helps.

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Thanks Andy,

I have had to bodge a jig for now as I was on a training course today that over ran.

I made some more progress by adding to more ribs, I quite enjoying it so far [biggrin]



While I waited for the glue to grab and start drying I set about trying to work out a way of making it easier to cut the planks I needed for the first deck, I ended up making this jog





Next I bodged a dry dock until I get the chance to get something more substantial



Decks dry fitted to test fit




Here is where I need help, As per my previous post I not sure if rib one is seated correctly or if it is [confused] [confused]. If you could have a look at the following photos and see if it looks correct or not.

Base reading of my dry dock



This hidden deck looks straight and level (dry fitted)



This deck also looks straight and level, so far so good (dry fitted)



This is where it goes slightly wrong, the deck is level on one plane but is also higher at the front. So my question is

Is this the correct angle for this deck, forcastle deck I believe, main middle deck is level so effectively mine is gently sloping down from the front to a level mid deck.

I have studied other builds and it also looks like there is a slope, official build included but it could just be the photo angle. I am acutally starting to think it is correct. It would really help if someone else could put a spirit level on their forcastle deck in the same place to check the angle as its really doing my nut in [confused]

If not and it should be straight and level then the only thing it can be is rib 1 that is causing the problem in which case I believe hot water is the answer?

I just want to make sure before I start taking it apart again



Thanks for looking [cool]
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[biggrin] Hi Dave

I agree it looks like rib one is too high as the deck is flat on my build in this area another way to test this is if ribs 2,3 and 4 are the same height by laying a rule or straight edge along them then rib one is too high. Hope this helps.

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Looks like you are off to a great start Dave, nicely done....[cool] [cool]

Regards

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arpurchase wrote:
[biggrin] Hi Dave

I agree it looks like rib one is too high as the deck is flat on my build in this area another way to test this is if ribs 2,3 and 4 are the same height by laying a rule or straight edge along them then rib one is too high. Hope this helps.

Regards

Andy[cool]


Hi Andy

I have just put a metal ruler across ribs 2,3 and 4 as you suggested and they are indeed level, in fact they are level all the way back to rib 7, rib 1 is then about 1.5 to 2mm higher [blink]

Its odd I messed up the first one but have got the rest all so level after that [blush] Guess its the hot water tomorrow to sort it out!

Thanks for checking, really appreciate it, it means that I wont be thinking about it when trying to get to sleep now [biggrin]
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Gandale wrote:
Looks like you are off to a great start Dave, nicely done....[cool] [cool]

Regards

Alan


Thanks Alan

I was originally going to wait until I had more packs stashed but then I realised that as I haven't built one of these before I better crack on and see if its for me before I too far into the subscription.

Barring the issue with rib 1 I am really enjoying it so far [biggrin]
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