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Up-grading the Del Prado 1/100 Victory Options
Gandale
#121 Posted : 23 March 2013 10:47:03

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Now there is a very novel idea. Most of the builders on the forum are trying build pristine Vic's either as she was immediately before Trafalgar or as she is now in dock... To take on a build on how she looked immediately after battle, battle damaged and wrecked in places, pehaps showing Nelsons final ending would be a heck of a challenge to any modeller.... Research would have to play a very important part in such a re-creation. Interesting concept and one I would be following with a great deal of interest.... Wonder if there will be any takers on this idea...Cool Cool Cool

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#122 Posted : 23 March 2013 22:41:25

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Thanks for your thoughts Alan.
As you say, most of us are attempting to build a pristine Victory (myself included) at some stage of her career, pre or post Trafalgar and after spending all that money we certainly don't want to be 'knocking her about' so to speak! But there must be many who went for the Victory as their very first attempt at wooden ship modelling (Blink Blink Blink ) and who have gone on to progress and gain far more skills and talent in the process, (as you can see on this forum).
It's mainly for those looking back at what might not have been their most skilfully constructed model that might go back for a second 'go' and use their new talents to both improve and 'demolish' their first prides and joys!BigGrin
It's a thought anyway!Blushing

Anyhow! talking of going back and improving, here's one I did earlier! BigGrin

As I mentioned before, after building better steps for the poop and waist, I didn't like to leave the first lower waist steps which were built as per the kit instructions. Pic 1 shows the Mk1 and Mk2 versions, hopefully you can tell the difference - "No Harty! it's the other way around!!LOL ) The new versions are both safely glued down in position now and it improves the whole waist area.
The rest of the pics illustrate the replacement of the kit metal moulded Belaying Racks with new wooden ones. The original DelPrado is shown in photo 6. To be charitable, the dimensions of these things was actually spot on with the reference drawings at least it would have been if all four of them (two for the foremast, one for the main, (wrongly moulded to stick on the deck NOT down through the two hatches) and the mizzen mast thingy) had not been horribly warped during the moulding process into bow shapes.
The construction of the replacements is basically the same as for the catheads but on a much smaller scale. Thankfully they weren't any smaller, I did discover that three slots cut into 4x3mm wood strip is as small as I can get with the extra thin cut off disc (at the third attempt). After the slots were cut the strip was cut off to size and the decorative head filed into it. After that the remainder of the strip was superglued onto the slotted end and once dry the post cut to length. I learned my lesson on the first one, trying to file the head into such a tiny bit of wood gave me cramp in my fingers! On the second I slotted then glued the slotted bit onto the remainder, which gave me a much longer and easier to hold length of wood in which to file the head into! Blushing
Once the posts were both completed I then filed a horizontal channel into the front face into which the belaying pin rack would fit. The rack was made from yet more Grimsby spare plank cut down in width by about 1/3rd and drilled out with the pin holes. Before glueing the rack to the posts I drilled up into their bases to accept a length of 7mm brass rod which will later strengthen their locating points onto the forecastle deck.
Pics 4-5 and 7-8 show the finished belaying rack in position, it has now also been painted in Admiralty Black and drybrushed. I won't be finally fixing it down until the carronades have been tackled up, there isn't much finger room down there!
I now have to make the aft rack which fortunately only has two slots in each one! and then the mainmast rack too!Flapper

See you all soon.

Robin

PS Ignore the grating in the background sitting at a funny angle - it hasn't been glued down yet!BigGrin
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Replacement Belaying Rack pic1.JPG
Replacement Belaying Rack Pt2 pic.JPG
First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale
Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault
Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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#123 Posted : 23 March 2013 23:35:29

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Robin, another nice piece of work and very well described..... If you feed me any more food for thought I will end up obese.....BigGrin BigGrin

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This looks much better
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Reiner
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#125 Posted : 25 March 2013 11:29:08

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Your comments are spot on there Robin. I am one of the first timers and have very often thought of going back and redoing a number of things. Your battles ravaged look might just be a serious option, or leave as is with the caption " mistakes not to make again".
Your build is looking great. Well done.
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#126 Posted : 01 April 2013 16:48:54

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Plymouth57 wrote:


A brief interlude here away from bits of wood and PVA! As I mentioned a little earlier I have stupidly decided to add a crew to the old girl and as nobody had the decency to sell 1/100 scale Nelsonian crew figures (despite hours of trawling the web) guess what that means! Crying

Anyhow! There are 1/100 scale figures around, just not wearing what I need. The first pic below shows the crew newly arrived from China, 100 figures for just £4.89 including p&p! (Try getting that in a model shop over here!) They are of course railway passengers in modern dress which will have to be heavily modified before the press gang gets to them! Although they came from China, their actual origin is probably indicated by the fact that I have at least 12 Japanese Geisha girls in amongst them, (More research needed, were there any Geishas on board the Vic at Trafalgar?)BigGrin
The second pic shows the evolution of the very first member of the crew, namely Lieutenant Furstman. He was made from two of the figures, the man standing with hands in pockets on the left and the standing man on his right who provided the arms. On the right of this pic is the finished Lieutenant with carved down jacket to remove the modern lapels, legs shaved down a little and new lapels made from the copper tape I used on the hull. His coat has been built up with milliput to form the coat tails and a bicorn hat carved out of a piece of plastic rod.
Pics 3 - 6 show the finished chap after a coat of grey (Admiralty White and Black) although in future figures I'll be getting a new pot of Citidel grey, the Admiralty paints go too thick and stodgy, too quickly after they've been mixed to paint fine detail in time.
The final pic shows Lieutenant Furstman against one of my Brandywine Redcoats, the Redcoat is in 1/72 scale, very close to the DeAg Victory figures, poor old Furstman looks like a Hobbit beside him!Blink

What I am not doing here is building finished figures, although the temptation is really hard to resist! What I'm doing is very similar to my Brandywine diorama, I'm making a series of standard figures, crewmen, officers, midshipmen etc. in no particular pose and then I'm going to make a silicone mould to cast those figures in white metal which, once made will be almost like the old Airfix Multipose figures, I will be able to bend arms and legs into different positions, cut arms off and swap around and different heads too. That's why I'm not too bothered about getting the finish on each figure absolutely perfect (as you can see from the photos!) There will be a hell of a lot of work to do on them over the months ahead, but it should be a useful diversion to break up the (sometimes repetitive)construction of the ship herself (Not that I'm complaining of course, only THREE more bloody cannon to go! But a lot more cannon barrels!Crying )

See you all soon.

Robin



Hi Robin,
Great work on your Victory model, I was searching the net for info and came across this build log. I must say, reading your 1st entry was like reading my own story, like you I subsribed to the Del Prado Victory. I have a sound and long history in modelling of all types but unlike you, this was my 1st attempt at a wooden POB ship model. Even so, I soon realised like you that the Del Prado kit was not going to be a very acurate or quality build. Although I continued with the subsciption I only built the basic framework to their instruction and supplied materials, after that I sourced meterials from sites like Model Dockyard
etc and with the help of many books and other forums, set about building a better and more detaild HMS Victory.
I too am manning the ship, but have used 15mm lead/pewter Minifigs from their Napoleonic range that came as "British Seamen", "Naval Gun Crews"
and "British Marines".
With your permission, I would like to upload some pics of my progress, as I think starting my own log would be going over much of the same ground you have already covered. Also, like you, due to other commitments etc, I put the build on hold for quite a few years, ( and many pics have been lost or misslayed), and am only now renewing my interest.
Kind regards (and great work again BTW)
Alan

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Hi there Sparks

Nice to meet yet another DelPrado-ite! BigGrin Feel free to put up what you've got although there's nothing wrong with starting your own build diary to illustrate what you've done, if you look at all the other Victories taking shape here we're all doing the same things but with little subtle differences along the way. The more ways there are of achieving the same ends, the more others who haven't tried that before can find methods more to their liking!
I remember the Minifigs figures from my youth all those years ago, Blushing I honestly thought the company was long gone so I didn't even bother looking for 15mm crew figures from them! Many thanks for that lead and I'll have a look very soon. I will carry on with designing my own as well I think, the more variety the better and I might even try a "Death of Nelson" extra-mini diorama on the quarter deck if they turn out ok!

So give it a bash! With Moriarty's Mantua Victory in the diaries that would be three 1/100 scalers (or thereabouts). We'll have enough for a fleet soon!

Best Wishes

Robin

First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale
Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault
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Thanks Robin,
I think there are some issues with Minifigs at the moment, I bought in bulk some years back and although In have quite a few left I have run out of gun crews. With the re awakening of the project, I started looking again and it seems that they are only available from re-sellers at the moment, and no gun crews listed Crying
Here's a shot looking down into the upper gun deck (the only part to be manned at the moment)


and a few of shots at gun deck level (skid beams removeable)




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#129 Posted : 02 April 2013 21:57:27

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Hi All.

Thanks for those figure pics Sparks, you've got to admit having a well painted crew in place really brings any model ship completely to life!
And thanks too for all the other comments, I just can't get the image of an obese Gandale trying to bend over his SOTS for some close up work out of my head!!BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin

OK then, this is just a quickie about the final piece of the 12lb cannon tackle, the running in gear to pull the gun backwards either for re-loading (although usually the recoil would do that) or for securing and lashing down.
The first pic below shows the beginning of the production line for the wire and brass pin tackle. Unlike the main tackle which I produced one at a time I decided to try and do a few at a time for these. The system works quite well apart from the painting of the wire with the White/Walnut mixed paint. Once again I found that the Admiralty paints whilst brilliant used on their own, tend to dry too quickly when mixed together. Unfortunately there is no Citidel colour which is 'just right' so I'll just have to paint them in pairs instead of fours. (The obvious solution would be to get another two pots of white and walnut and mix them together in a third, clean pot to create a dedicated 'rope colour' pot of paint! But I'm not that rich!!BigGrin )
The second pic shows the completed tackle. This is made from the same .2mm wire as before but soldered to my thinnest brass pins, about half the diameter of the earlier ones as you can see in the final picture. The other difference is that I only completely remove the pin shaft from the end which attaches to the cannon, the other pin is cut down but still with half it's shaft remaining (for reasons which will become clear!)
Pic three shows one of the quarter deck cannon with a small piece of scrap wood pencil-marked "cannon", this wood is the exact same length as the tackle is from the pin shaft to the end of the soldered ring on the other end. Once that distance has been marked on the deck a tiny hole is drilled through the deck at that point as seen in the fourth pic. Although the drill bit is shown in a large chuck it is actually being hand drilled, my small pin vice drill won't grip the smallest drill bits anymore so I'm using a universal chuck and twiddling the shaft by hand, (pound shop special God Bless 'em!)
After drilling out the tiny hole, the pin shaft mentioned earlier is inserted into the deck and only the ring jammed against the rear of the cannon needs to be secured with a drop of PVA.
The final large picture shows the completed tackle on three of the quarter deckers, this was taken just after the rings were glued to the cannon, once they have dried I will gently alter the curves of the trailing wire ropes so that they lie flat against the deck. All I need now are the damned crew to man them!Crying
Incidentally, both the forecastle belaying racks are finished now but I forgot to take a photo to include here - hopefully next time! Five cannon finished, only another thirteen to go.

He He! Fatty Gandale!!LOL

See you soon!

Robin
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First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale
Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault
Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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Guns look sweet Robin, nice jobCool
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Truly inspiring Robin and so informative..... Keep the lessons coming, this is one diary where I am happy to over indulge..... can always diet when you've finished...... LOL LOL LOL .. don't know how big I'll end up being though.....Flapper Flapper Flapper

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Alan

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#132 Posted : 03 April 2013 09:07:41

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Beautiful job there Robin. Love your tutorial as well.
Rgds, Hans
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#133 Posted : 03 April 2013 12:40:11

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Incredible work!
There is so much one can learn from your diary.

Thanks,
Walter
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Many thanks indeed for all your appreciative comments there boys!Blushing

I have to admit that when I started this diary it was never intended to be a tutorial, I started off simply putting up the photos of each component as it was added to the build, the 'how I did this' part just seemed to creep in as it went. Having never belonged to any modelling club or society it never occurred to me that others building their wooden ships would learn anything new from my efforts!
From the comments though, enough of my diary's viewers seem to like the inclusion of these personal solutions (which I'm making up as I go along as well as 'nicking' bits from other's diaries of course) so I'll carry on along these lines. (Just wait till we get to the rigging then the cursing will start! BigGrin )
So many thanks again and I'll be back soon-ish (must do a bit more on the Brandywine some day!)Blink

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What a great build!! Like it very much!! ThumpUp
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#136 Posted : 06 April 2013 19:07:17

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Thanks Johnny!

Here's just a quick update, the quarterdeck guns and the port side waist cannon are now all done with just another five on the starboard to go, (should really be six but on both sides the aft most waist gun was passed in through the gunport, just glueing it in position was hard enough, there's no chance at all of getting any tackle in there!)BigGrin
Had one little accident fitting in the last two sets of rear tackle on the quarterdeck, marked and drilled the holes for the brass pin to drop into and had to use the 'kinked ended' tweezers to hold the pin to position it. Once gripped tightly my thumb and forefinger blocked my line of vision below the tweezers and as I went in closer to drop the pin down the hole said digits collided with that spindly fence work around the main steps and popped it completely off the deck!Crying Cursing
Fortunately the bottom bannister rails remained glued on the lower deck so it didn't fly off completely and was soon re-PVA'd back in position so not as bad as it could have been.
That's the trouble when bare decks start to get covered in sticky out details, you not only have to glue extra bits in, you have to carefully plan your big clumsy hand's route in and out to avoid all the delicate obstacles!Blink
Anyway, all's well and here's some of the port waist (they look so cute all bedded down with their ropes, just waiting for their crew to arrive - one day!)

Bye for now.

Robin
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First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale
Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault
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HI Robin. I have found that same problem with my large and clumsy fingers and have become quite good with using TWO kinked shaped tweezers to have an unobstucted view at what I am doing.
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#138 Posted : 14 April 2013 22:03:04

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Thanks for that Hans, I found a nice cheap set of sprung tweezers, one kinked and one straight in our local Tool Shed outlet in the £1 section yesterday so I'll give that a try soon!Crying

Here's a quick update on the Carronades in the bow area, one is completed and the other just needs the running out tackle so hopefully the next couple of days should see the last of the detailed guns completed!BigGrin
Coming up soon should be the entry steps up the sides of the hull Crying

And many thanks to all my 'visitors' who have pushed the diary beyond the 10,000 mark!BigGrin

See you soon

Robin
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First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale
Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault
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#139 Posted : 15 April 2013 10:07:34

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Great job there Robin. Wonderful attention to detail. Keep it up. an absolute masterpiece.
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Looking great matey Cool

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