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Santìsima Trinidad by Jack.Aubrey - De Agostini - Scale 1:90 - Cross Section Options
Nemesis
#101 Posted : 04 November 2014 13:27:12

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I think old nautical maps as a backdrop would finish it off perfectly, a totally superb build!!Drool Love BigGrin
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#102 Posted : 04 November 2014 13:35:37

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I agree maps would look great
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#103 Posted : 05 November 2014 11:38:56

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Fantastic work Jack.

I agree with the others, maps on the background would look great.

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#104 Posted : 07 November 2014 12:42:04

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Nemesis wrote:
I think old nautical maps as a backdrop would finish it off perfectly, a totally superb build!!Drool Love BigGrin
jase wrote:
I agree maps would look great
Foz wrote:
Fantastic work Jack.
I agree with the others, maps on the background would look great.
regards
Foz

First of all many thanks for your comments . . it seems there is a general agreement on the "nautical map" option.
In effect it was also my first, preferred option, but I found some incredible difficulties in finding suitable nautical maps to use.
The major issue was the shape of the background area to cover, very high compared with its width . .

Second, at that time I had to hurry in preparation of a ship modelling exibition and I was practically forced to adopt another solution to be ready. Its not bad but nothing comparable.
Anyway I can change the backgroud in the future if I'll find something better, although until now I didn't spent time to look for . .
Regards, Jack.
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#105 Posted : 10 November 2014 13:03:02

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Tuesday August 9th, 2011 - the horrors fair . . 
 
While the work around the display case is progressing, and now I have reached a good point of completion in terms of woodworking, I resumed the model and I started to work on the rigging.
 
Let's come back to the display case, just to complete this topic. Tomorrow I will refine the wood with sandpaper and then I will apply some painting, first of all with wood filler and later with transparent, matt paint. In particular for the background wall I have found a self adhesive paper thar reproduces a rough wall, I think it is nice to see and probably I will try it. It is white coloured and shuld put in evidence the rigging very well. 
 
And now let's speak about the bad news . . As i wrote I started to work on the rigging and in the following images you can see how I realized the deadeyes and the shrouds. In a further message I will show the rigging near the main top.
 
The result is very bad. 
 
I have to highlight that I had not any kind of (recent) experience in this type of tasks because the last time I made this kind of work dated back to 40 years . . 
 
I used the famous book from mr. Petersson "Rigging Period Ship Models" as reference, reproducing the same knots: a huge work and a powerful nervous breakdown vehicle . . . but with very poor results.   
 
I think that the images here following are self explicating. The first thing that emerges is that they are completely unequal, in spite of my efforts; then the rope used is of bad quality, too much hairy; the brown rope is better; and finally the attempt to remove the hairs by passing over the ropes a coat of diluted vinyl glue failed totally.
 
To conclude: a true disaster. 
 
In the next messages I will show the area of the main top and there the situation is even worst . .
 
So, after a short rethinking, I decided to restart from the beginning in a more methodic way.
 
Tomorrow I wil visit a model shop to look for new deadeyes and, more important, to buy new ropes to use in place of the same distributed with the kit.
 
See you next message with another horror show . . Jack.
 
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#106 Posted : 10 November 2014 13:05:54

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The museum of the shipmodeler's mistakes continues . .
 
Here follow three images of the main top area, more in detail the shrouds immediately below it. Looking at these three photos, where only the right side is completed, it may seem OK . .
but this was the status as I left it the last evening, ready to be completed also on the left side the day after.
 
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02 Cross%20Section%20Santisima%20Trinidad/P1070726.jpg


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And what happened the day after ? The result can be seen in the remaining two images. In practice the two sides are not symmetrical and the reason of this is a long ... long story.
 
This happened because I forgot my spectacles at home. Instead of driving to home to take them I decided to proceed without them . . . but  . . . I forgot the fact that my left eye was operated some years ago for a detached retina and that operation left me a quite strong astigmatism.
 
This astigmatism makes a strange visual effect: if I look at a A4 sheet of paper I don't see a rectangle but a rhombus. Obviously the probles is corrected by the spectacles.
 
To conclude shortly, the result of this visual error can be seen here below, and this mistake was the classical straw that broke the camel's back and I easily decided to redo everything . . 
 
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A last info: I finished the wood working on the display case, levigated and painted as I wrote in my last message.
 
Cheers, Jack.
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#107 Posted : 11 November 2014 22:21:11

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Thursday August 11th, 2011 - Rigging: a new start
 
After the big set of mistakes I made in the first attempt I restarted from the beginning with the shrouds and the deadeyes. This time I've done better. First of all now they have the same length . .
 
The deadeyes are now painted in black before to mount them and refined after, where necessary (the images are after this refinement).
 
I have used some spacers made up with steel wire to keep all at the same distance. It seems the trick was ok.
 
I spent a afternoon to achieve this goal, it is not a big result in term of productivity but it is satisfactory for me, after the first failure.
 
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Kind regards, Jack.Aubrey
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#108 Posted : 11 November 2014 22:23:17

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Saturday August 13th, 2011 - these are better . .
 
Yesterday, in the afternoon I resumed the work on the cross section, in particular I definitely rigged the deadeyes.
 
This time the result is surely better, they all have the same length.
 
Power of experience . . but a highly important contribute to this overall result comes surely from the new ropes I used: they are light years far from the same ropes supplied with the kit. 
 
See you next time, Jack.Aubrey
 
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#109 Posted : 12 November 2014 14:23:36

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Today, November 12th, 2014 it's a day with a lot of rain . . and it's a week that it's raining and my ship modelling will is near to zero . . that's why I'm updating my build diaries instead of working of my brick de 24 ... Regards. Jack.


Feast of the Assumption - August 15th, 2011
 
The "True Shipmodelers" work also in the mid-august holiday, so I decided to work . . first as caretaker for my mother-in-law to substitute the true caretaker that is now in holiday (for 1 month and 1/2 . . .) but, since my workshop is in the same house, I can continue with the cross section. 
 
I worked to mount the shrouds above the main top, The deadeyes are here smaller than at hull level (3mm instead of 5mm) and this made the work a little bit more difficult. 
 
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#110 Posted : 13 November 2014 18:18:31

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Wednesday, August 24, 2011 - End of "Grisella Party"
 
Eight days before the beginning of the "Grisella Party" (this is the name I decided for this process), today I finally finished tying all the ratlines of the shrouds of the mainmast.
 
It was an hard way and I am fully aware of the huge work carried out by those who have already tried this experience on a complete sailing ship. Compared to my work on a tree alone and not fully rigged I do not know how I would have tired and nervous.
 
After learning the specific technique to make the knot to be used (taken from the book of Lennarth Petersson's "Rigging Period Ship Models") I started slowly. The first few days after tying 5 or 6 lines I had to stop, but in the last times I could make even fifteen without stopping. Luckily in this period of time I am involved in making the caregiver to my mother-in-law, so I was able to capitalize on the availability at any time of the laboratory, and I had the opportunity to play several sessions per day.
 
I confess I had not even tried to run the knot used for the head and the tail of "griselle" therefore also in this case I used the same knot for the internal ones, which holds up very well. However, I applied a coat of diluted glue on the knots before cutting the twine in excess.
 
Here are some pictures of the work.
 
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And here finally the lower element of the main mast. While the other shrouds are complete, here there are only four while in the real ship I think there were twelve.

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05 Cross%20Section%20Santisima%20Trinidad/P1070765.jpg

 
Now the adventure continues, but for now I want to recover from the stress, release the hands that have a tendency to knot themselves and rest for a couple of days. In the meantime I'll give some coat of paint to the display board. Sincerely, Jack.Aubrey
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#111 Posted : 14 November 2014 13:14:22

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Friday, August 26th, 2011 - Yards installation

Today and yesterday I dedicated myself to the installation of the masts and yards to set up some running rigging. I had to spend quite a bit of time to figure out all the way around, but once I made the first chapter and test on the smaller yard, the work proceeded quite well, so that today I can show you all the yards installed.

The first two yards from the top of the main mast (main royal yard and main topgallant yard):

01 Cross%20Section%20Santisima%20Trinidad/P1070769.jpg


The main lower topsail yard:

02 Cross%20Section%20Santisima%20Trinidad/P1070768.jpg


The main yard:

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As you can see looking at the clamps, visible close to the hull in the picture below, all operations have not yet been laid down in their location. The clamps hold them together a little strained, nothing more.
I intend to set only the maneuvers at the right time because otherwise an error may become unrecoverable. I am sure you will understand the reason for some misalignment between the yards and the tree: they are almost exclusively due to the fact that the running rigging is still loose.

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Finally I need to fully decipher the pattern of the mounting points of the rigging, I think that there are some errors in the drawings (to be verified). For example, in the two pinrails at the base of the mast, there are a total of eight pins while the cables that you will have to end there seem to be many more. . we will see.

In spite it is a very simplified scheme it is still relatively complex, to be studied carefully. Now I have to think about the fitting of the sails, which seems to be the next step. Their assembly is yet to be studied and understood. Matter for the next few days.

Greetings to all, Jack.Aubrey
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#112 Posted : 19 November 2014 09:30:02

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Monday, August 29, 2011 - Sails

I had the opportunity to closely observe the sails distributed with the booklets, in order to study the best way to mount them and, above all, to display them.

I immediately discarded the idea of letting them loose: would hide, once in the display case, virtually all the rigging and the great deal of work that has been done to equip it.

So I focused toward a solution already presented elsewhere in an italian forum (http://www.forumscuoladimodellismo.com/t226-le-vele-di-un-vascello-del-xviii-secolo) that is visible in the image below, taken from the famous book by Lennarth Petersson "Rigging Period Ship Models". Obviously I am referring to the part visible in the left side of the image.

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But as I watched the sails, I also realized that, although valid globally as presentation, were somewhat coarse in the seams and, above all, they had the vertical seams generally "out of scale". In reality what made me decide to make them from scratch was the fact that these seams were not only not in scale but they were not all at the same distance, which immediately struck the eye.

And then I searched and I found the suitable fabric. It is none other than the famous fabric used by A.Baranov to build the sails of his Panteleimon Victoria and described in the discussion mentioned above.

Below is a photo of the fabric, pure linen, which simulates, already in the plot of weaving, the typical vertical seams in all the sails. A great advantage and help to realism. In addition it also has the appropriate color for the ships of the period of the Santisima Trinidad.

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But since I am not able to sew, either because I'm not capable, but above all for the lack of suitable hardware, I commissioned the work to a tailor I know. The problem is that I have to wait the end of September.

So for the moment the site most likely will stop this trend for a while and will continue describing better the display case.

We'll see how the situation will evolve, I don't exclude to resume the Soleil Royal shipyard, if I'll found enough time, which is still waiting to progress from the last achievement: the first planking . . .

Sincerely, Jack.Aubrey.

PS: my example to follow, at least for the yards and sails of the main mast, is here below, even if it's for me surely impossible to duplicate:

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Saturday, September 3, 2011 - Display Case

After spending half a day to prepare drawings of the sails for the tailor and having acquired the canvas and the necessary material, I dedicated all myself to the display case.

Among the many options for the background wall, which I suggested and evaluated some options time ago, in the end I decided for a solution ever described above, but that I loved it. The only drawback of this solution, the color, which I could not find if not white, perhaps due to the small amount that I needed: 1 kg package, the minimum size available. I only used a few part. I would preferred a slightly cream or light brown colour but I didn't find, but surely would have been for me the most.

This is the same material that is used to dye the facades of houses, a type of very thick paint that is mixed with grains of sand (I think) and is applied with a brush, and then, once applied, it is levelled with a wood plank and, at the end, presents an scratched effect. Given the size of the picture here proposed, this effect can be only seen in the first image below:

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These are overall views. What we now need are the three sides of plexiglass. For this I have a trusted supplier that will come into action as soon as possible. According to my intentions should be in three pieces glued with special glue and will be fixed with some small screw on the timber base. I must still look for the right material at a hardware store.
I know that there are some brass wood screws with the thread inverted where inside there is a thread for normal screws. The first part would be screwed into the wood support and maybe even fixed with some assembly glue, the second is for a screw that will hold the plexiglass that will be removable for maintenance.

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Other photo with the model inside, as it is today, will follow. Regards, Jack.
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#114 Posted : 20 November 2014 13:22:41

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In the three images below I made a test of inserting the subject of this topic in its planned place.

At this point I need to stop on both paths because on one hand I have to wait for the new sails (as I wrote earlier), and, with respect to the display case, the baton passes to the plexiglass artisan.

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Coming back to reconsider the sails I could use the ones I decided to discard to make a bit of experience with them before working on the final ones. It should ease the work later. Regards, Jack.Aubrey.
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#115 Posted : 22 November 2014 17:38:49

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Tomorrow, October 17th I'll go back to my home after a short holiday at my daughter's house near Pisa. I have been here in Pisa for almost a month but anyway I am very sad to leave my daughter alone.

On the other side, a positive thing when I'll be back at home is that I can resume my ship modelling hobby. At home, with regard to the section of the Santisima Trinidad, I have to resume two important things:

1) the plexiglass artisan phoned to inform me that the case is ready; so on that front I should be in the final phase;

2) for the sails, I did some tests while I was here in Pisa and now I have everything clear on how to proceed; I tryed to cut and tuck, ready for the final seam, but I wasn't able to sew them because of my TOTAL inability to make straight seams with the sewing machine.
I thought I could at least try with my wife or daughter but unsuccesfully. This confirm my decision to rely on third parties. As soon as I'll be back I'll involve a tailor, as I had in mind from the beginning, and I'll solve the problem.

So a little patience and then I'll have finally finished this blessed project that has been going on for more than two years. In the meantime I'll work on the Soleil Royal, another model I'm building: what is expected here is the second planking . . .

Best regards, Jack.Aubrey
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Lovely build and that display case is a work of art.

Very well done.
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Beautiful work Jack, a joy to see.... Cool Cool

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Jack
Lovely build and that display case is a work of art.
Very well done.

Gandale wrote:
Beautiful work Jack, a joy to see.... Cool Cool
Regards. Alan

Thanks Alan and Tony for your positive comments, Jack.

Thursday, March 22, 2012 - The model in the finished display case

After a long time, during which I waited in vain news about the sails from the tailor, I'm still waiting to see something of them (!!)
In the meantime, due to the need to deliver it to the Ship Modelling Association "Magellano" who wants to exhibit this model at a planned fair/exhibition of ship models in Verona, the homeland of Shakespeare's Romeo and Giulietta, I decided to install this model into its finished display case before releasing it.

Today in particular, after the return from Verona's exhibition, I proceeded to place it in its final position in my house.

Below are some photos of this new "picture" although I sincerely hope to receive soon its sails in order to install them and finally put an end to this project.

Regards, Jack.Aubrey.

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#119 Posted : 25 November 2014 21:10:27

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Sunday, November 23rd, 2014

Today are now more than two years that I have positioned this model, in its case, in my house.
The case is internally totally free from dust and until now I had not any need to open it to clean the inside.

On the front of the sails, the situation now is that they are ready for a long time and are just waiting to be mounted on the masts, but until I decide to remove the model from its display case they will rest in a box along with the remnants of the parts used for the construction of this cross section.

Having at the moment no plans to resume works, I would consider this project closed. . not having the time and the will to progress the whole in order to install these blessed sails. Right now my priorities are different.

Sincerely, Jack.
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Tuesday, September 19th, 2017

Important Notice

Today I successfully recovered all the images of this topic, so from now on all the images here published are well visible as before.

It was a hard work, but should be complete and reliable.

Thank you in advance for your patience. See you soon, Jack.Aubrey
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