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pamlupo
#1 Posted : 31 January 2011 17:09:01

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Hi Everyone
As usual I amn stuck. Issue 36 fitting th garboard plank. I have completed nos 1 to 10 then on picture 11 it says the bow plankmust run straight on.....
My question is where does it start and where do I fix it on the keel. Picture 5 shows a plank on the top. Picture 6 on the side (by the way is it both sides of the keel)I am so confused sorry but hopefully someone can help me.
Can you also explain it in plain english to me as I get confused with the bow and stern ends.
Another question is when do you double plank I presume it is after fitting all the port holes with frames.Do you have to make the frame 'stick' out more if you are double planking?

One more question is anyone buying the Endeavour part works. I bought the first issue and the quality looks very good.

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PamConfused
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#2 Posted : 31 January 2011 17:57:14

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After fitting the garboard fillets to the frames at steps 1,2,3 of 36, the first full garboard plank fits between frame 19 and 22, not forgetting that the garboard planking is fitted so that it overlaps the keel by 1mm on each side of the keel, which when you have completed both sides of the hull creates a parallel slot down the centre line of the keel from where the garboard planking starts to where it ends.

You then run a plank to the stern (rear) as shown in steps 6-10 )from frame 22 to overhang the rear end by 4mm), your confusion with photo 6 is that the plank to the rear starts out flat but along the way towards the (stern) rear end it needs to be twisted so that it fits to the side of the keel at the rear end as per photos 7,8,9,10.

The bow (front) garboard plank runs from frame 19 to 14 and is ended as per the photo at step 14, taking particular note of what it says at step 11 regarding not to bend the garboard plank all the way down the front of the keel.

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#3 Posted : 31 January 2011 19:13:34

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Thanks
Does the plank fit on the top or the side.
Pam
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#4 Posted : 31 January 2011 20:05:54

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hi pam,the double planking question you asked is,only if you want to double plank,if you look at my build you will see I have sanded down the gunports first,then laid on the veneer afterwards,tomick is not double planking,he is building by the book,(magazine)just below this writing you can click on my build there.in blue fonts.also I am building the endevour,not started yet waiting for a few more issues.
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pamlupo wrote:
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Does the plank fit on the top or the side.
Pam

Fits on top of the keel, but with the rear plank it starts on top and is then twisted approx 3/4 of the way along towards the rear, where it then fixes to the side of the keel so its edge sits approx 1mm above it.
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#6 Posted : 31 January 2011 22:04:36

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Thanks everyone
It is appreciated
Pam
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#7 Posted : 07 February 2011 21:35:16

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Yes Pam, it was confusing. I have to admit to getting a few splinters under the fingernails from scratching the old bonce. Perhaps I should have posted a help appeal too. Still I've got most of them out from the quicks, and the plasters should come off in time for the next 4 issues. Vic's bottom is now looking very SMOOOOTH: like the proverbial babies. Hope yours is too. Cool The ships that is.BigGrin

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I came across the garboard plank bit before I came across the forum, but I could not make head nor tail of it, so looked at the mags again and again, and saw what i hope are garboard planks on both sides. Is this correct, because if it is why didn't the mags say garboard planks. I found a pic on msw and have attached it, its from another boat.
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#9 Posted : 07 February 2011 22:20:34

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I came across the garboard plank bit before I came across the forum, but I could not make head nor tail of it, so looked at the mags again and again, and saw what i hope are garboard planks on both sides. Is this correct, because if it is why didn't the mags say garboard planks. I found a pic on msw and have attached it, its from another boat.


I agree it was not very clear about doing a garboard plank for both sides. However there were quite strong implications that the instructions needed to be duplicated for the other side.

Well you've discovered the forum now so welcome. But, don't forget half of the fun and sense of achievement is gained from fathoming it out.BigGrin

By the way modelshipbuilder.com is a good place for serious drooling and information.

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#10 Posted : 08 February 2011 08:37:17

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I am finding it easier to look ahead of the project to work things out.

As I am double planking -what happens to the bottom planks when I double plank or I may use copper for my bottom.BigGrin

I also have numerous pin pricks from my pin pusher -have sawed my fingers so part of my tool kit consists of plasters and tissues.

Happy building everyone
PamLOL
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#11 Posted : 08 February 2011 17:21:00

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I think you may be a glutton for punishment Pam.BigGrin I have found single planking much easier than double as the planks are thicker and easier to handle/shape. In my case I'm painting at least one side. I'll try staining the other for a wood finish: on a dummy section first of course. If it does not work there is always a fall back strategy of paint or copper depending on the cost of the latter. The painted side will need the copper weathering anyway.

My pin-pusher is getting quite knackered, but I always make sure I'm holding the right end, so haven't pinned a finger yet!BigGrin

Your certainly getting the right idea by looking ahead in order to clarify things. Thank goodness for this site as we are somewhat drip fed without plans or advance instructions.Confused

Still I always feel if you have shed blood the project is that bit more rewarding.LOL

Keep up the good work.

Laury
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#12 Posted : 08 February 2011 17:40:30

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I shall be painting mine, but a question for you shipmates...I will be painting the lower hull, not coppering it...could anybody give me any idea as to what colour weathered copper would actually look like????
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An actual tile from Victory shown below, verdigris effect paint can be purchased via a number of sources which is applied in stages, the same can also be done to copper tiling using verdigris effect fluid, which is a cold patination solution.
Tomick attached the following image(s):
Victory Copper sheathing.jpg
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Hi Jonny.
I think the copper would go a bluey green ala copper sulphate stroke oxide. ["O" level chemistry was a long time ago] No doubt someone will put us right if I am wrong. I'll do a bit of research some time before we get there. Like putting a piece of copper pipe in some seawater.BigGrin

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#15 Posted : 08 February 2011 18:01:08

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Thanks MrT perfect, I shall follow your advice...ThumpUp
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Hi Laury...Chemistry definitely out as far as I'm concerned, nearly nuked the ruddy science lab when I was at school...LOL
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#17 Posted : 08 February 2011 19:00:43

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At least we can rest easy these days. Health and Safety wont let the kids play with radio active isotopes any more. But that was physics and I managed to pass an exam or two in that! Have you weighed Victory lately. I think she could be getting close to critical mass.Blink

I've just had a thought. How about doing a kit for a cyclotron. The magnets would do all the bending for us.LOL
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Just to add to what Tomick has provided. I guess the copper sheet from Victory was in an advanced state of corrosian and had been taken off to be replaced.

These two photos are from my collection of HMS Trincomalee photos

The first shows the coppering just after the restoration of the ship about 11 years ago. The second shows how the verdegris has affected the ship when she is floating in the 'dry dock' and was taken last summer.






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#19 Posted : 08 February 2011 21:02:51

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Just found a couple of links for verdigris model paint which is what I was going to go for, don't know if they will help any of you.

http://www.modelhobbies....rylic-paint-p-6055.html

http://www.emodels.co.uk...nfo.php?products_id=1202
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#20 Posted : 08 February 2011 21:13:38

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Confused painting the copper or the wood on the hull bit daft to put on copper then paint it you coud use something cheaper to simulate the copper if you are painting it
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