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#21 Posted : 20 January 2012 17:18:02

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[quote=Tomick]From what I understand the cowl was blue/black as per the WEM shade

https://www.whiteensignm...+BlueBlack+AC+J+08/279/[/quote]


BigGrin I agree and that is how I understand it to be. The cowl MAY look black in most photographs but you have to consider the effect of the ambient lighting in the photo. Most reliable sources of information about the Zero concur that it is a VERY dark Blue/Black as Tom says and indeed the manufacturers of the actual aircraft !!

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#22 Posted : 20 January 2012 19:26:54

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Hi Team may I feed this into the debate,up untill the A6M3 (model 32) the cowling was black, when this aircraft entered into service in the standard all-grey colour scheme like the model 21,with generally similar markings. However the model 32`s cowling was not jet black, but contained hints of blue. This colour quickly faded to a blue-grey colour after a few months in the strong equitorial sun.

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#23 Posted : 20 January 2012 21:50:17

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interesting debate. WEM certainly put a lot of effort into getting colour matches correct. It could be of course that Tamiya don't do a blue black so recommend black.
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#24 Posted : 21 January 2012 10:24:59

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jase wrote:
interesting debate. WEM certainly put a lot of effort into getting colour matches correct. It could be of course that Tamiya don't do a blue black so recommend black.


BigGrin A valid point jase !! Deciding to build this Zero and consequently having to do some research on the subject has taught me one thing about the colours used on WWII Japanese Aircraft and that is the fact that it is VERY difficult to be sure what is correct and what isn't as the debate seems to have been raging ever since the war !! I think the best way to approach this is to decide what we think is correct and stick with it. As long as the builder is happy with their own choice then that is all that matters - it is their own take on things and their own model, so if it works for them then that's fine !!

Personally, I will be going with the black with a very faint hint of blue (plain black is too harsh on a model) as I think it will just look better on the model and in my eyes it is correct ... even if it isn't !! LOL LOL

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#25 Posted : 21 January 2012 12:35:35

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I agree Kev and Jase BigGrin I am just feeding in info from my Areo Detail 7BigGrin

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#26 Posted : 24 January 2012 16:50:58

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For those wishing to get the engine cowling exactly right, or as close as damnit is to swearing (and that is very close in my house) you should try

Vallejo Model air colour 71.073 - metalic black.

I have not used this colour yet, so some testing on thick card would be useful first. This could also be useful for the engine cylinders!

Alternatives are

model air black 71.057

or a mixture of black and 71.056 black grey.

don't forget though that the nosecone had a semi-gloss shine to it so a coat of satin varnish would be needed.

I can only go from my research using original paint chips. What actually went on the aircraft differed by mix and application. Also paint changes colour in the sun and air. This gives the model builder a great latitude on colours and shades, but the original colour shades to start off with give a good start.

Prior to painting and assembling this model I am coating the parts with vallejo grey primer. It says on the rattle can that it is for use on plastic and metal and so far does the job great.

Once the lifecolour aotake paint is applied through my (admittedly cheap) airbrush (still learning how to use them) at a mix of 1:1 paint/thinner the wing spars and bottom frame parts spring to life.

Note:

Lifecolour paints come "airbrush ready". I have applied the aotake with a normal paintbrush with excellent results straight from the bottle. However I reccommend that those using this paint also get matching bottles of the lifecolour thinner and mix the two together 1:1 before using in an airbrush.

THe paint is acrylic and normal paintbrush cleaning applies. see my post on the basic paint colours for original paint chip matches from which the builder can use to make their paint job unique!

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#27 Posted : 24 January 2012 17:51:38

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BigGrin Thankyou for your input James, some very interesting thoughts there and much appreciated. I think between us all and the sharing of info through this library, we will be able to get some nice looking and more to the point 'accurate' Zeros rolling out of the hangar in a couple of years time !! Good stuff, well done.

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#28 Posted : 31 May 2013 18:43:26

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Hello all,

It's been a long time since anything was posted in this thread, so I thought I would just let those who are building the Zero know that this reference library is still available and can be added to if anyone has any info or good sites that they would like to share?

Now that I am also signed up to build the DeAg 1:16 Zero, I will be regularly scanning the web for more info myself, though the more eyes that are looking, the more we are likely to find about this fascinating subject. As the subject of Japanese WWII Aircraft is such a complex one (more than the Germans!) it would be nice to have lots of material to refer to if you need help?

Feel free to add links, etc, in a post and then for easier access, I will add it to A-Z Index in the main library which can be found in Post #1 of this topic for those who don't know about it already?


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#29 Posted : 25 June 2013 13:52:20

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BigGrin Hi All
Some more Zero Stuff the 1st one is a little biast in my opinion but gives the story of the 1st captured Zero

http://www.history.com/n...helped-win-world-war-ii

And this one might appeal to people who want a Hanes Manual breakdown lots of detail here but mostly drawings

http://rwebs.net/avhistory/history/zeke32.htm

This site is dedicated to the NZ Zero and has a good deal of info

http://mitsubishi_zero.tripod.com/

Another site with plenty of information

http://www.j-aircraft.com/research/otherres.htm

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#30 Posted : 25 June 2013 22:35:47

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Hello Andy and thanks for your post, some great sites there - well done!! CoolThumpUp

I have added them to various sections in the library at post #1.


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#31 Posted : 30 June 2013 19:01:58

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BigGrin More Zero stuff

http://www.combinedfleet.com/ijna/a6m.htm

This is a military training film which is available for download

http://archive.org/detai...ftheJapaneseZeroFighter

history and tec data

http://www.fighter-planes.com/info/a6m.htm

more tec info and history

http://www.ww2warbirds.net/ww2htmls/mitsa6m.html

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#32 Posted : 04 July 2013 21:17:21

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Thanks for the links Andy, all are now added to the Library in post #1, much appreciated! ThumpUpCool


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#33 Posted : 06 July 2013 22:06:19

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BigGrin Hi All
I have been searching for the builder of the Akagi zero AL-102 [A6M2B] but records as usual with Japanese aircraft are rare. There were two main builders of the Zero namely Nakajima and Mitsubishi all I have been able to discover so far is the numbers built by each manufacturer but no actual build numbers of individual aircraft. So the build numbers of aircraft by manufacturer is as follows

Mitsubishi = 741
Nakajima = 2628

This would make our model by default probably a Nakajima version with its lighter yellow/green cockpit interior also the Nakajima version's blacks were closer to a black/grey and not the blue/black of the Mitsubishi version. Of course I might just opt for the Mitsubishi version just to be differentLOL Love Drool LOL
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#34 Posted : 07 July 2013 00:42:52

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BigGrin Hi All
more links to Nakajima cockpit colour recommendations

http://www.cybermodeler.com/color/cockpit.shtml

http://www.ipmsstockholm...g_colorcharts_japan.htm
Some in depth discusions here on paint colour's for the Kate and other aircraft

http://www.pearlharborat...cgi?act=Print;f=11;t=81
More technical info on paint
http://www.aviationofjap...2008_03_01_archive.html
Another paint job the interesting point here is that early zero's of the pearl harbour attack had a red brown colour applied to the rear facings of the propeler's whilst the front was polished metal

http://koti.mbnet.fi/~jj...en/planes/a6m2zero.html
more paint recommendations
http://theminiaturespage...boards/msg.mv?id=250804

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#35 Posted : 08 July 2013 12:40:05

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Thanks for those six links Andy, some very useful stuff and now all added to the library in post #1.

I must say the library is turning into a great reference site now so my thanks to all who have added links, it is much appreciated and because of you the library is becoming a huge benefit for all who are interested in the subject - well done guys!! CoolThumpUp


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