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Up-grading the Del Prado 1/100 Victory Options
Plymouth57
#21 Posted : 24 October 2012 16:11:14

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Taking another little break from the hull (gun port completion) here's the procedure that I have taken for the 12 pounder long guns which will be placed on both the upper gun deck and the quarter deck. The building schedule means that I will have to get these finished before the next lot of structural components can go in: The upper gun deck cannons (12) will have to be in place before I can make and fit the waist ladders and I'd rather get the quarter deck guns (6) in position before the ladders and 'gantry' leading up to the poop deck make getting at the inner bulwarks more difficult.
When the DeAgostini Victory part works first came out I bought the first issue (the cheap one!) just to see what the series would be like. I've actually done this for most of the ship part-works, mainly out of curiosity but also for any useful bits and pieces! I also bought an extra copy of the Del Prado issue 1 just to get the ship's boat to add to my first model (see photo above)
The piece of interest in the DeAgostina first issue was the 12 pounder cannon, I'm going to make a little stand alone diorama with that one later on with a section of decking, hull side, gunport and full crew but more on that much later.
The guns on my Victory are much simpler and much smaller than the ones most of you will be dealing with!. The DeAgostini 12 pounder Drool comes in its own little plastic pre-formed 'box' comprising of 13 pieces (14 once the two halves of the truck are separated, I see the Jotika version comes in 23 pieces! - wow!), The Del Prado version has thoughtfully (NOT) reduced these to just two pieces: the cannon barrel and the truck or carriage. Both parts are cast in the same bronze-y looking metal as was used for many of the decorative components in this kit.
The photo below shows the process of bringing these guns up to a more acceptable standard before their eventual placement on the decks.
In the foreground is a carriage as supplied in the kit. The first job is to remove the nasty mould lines from the wheels resulting in the carriage at top left, you will notice that the barrel sitting on this one also comes complete with mould lines down the middle which must also be removed with a round rat tail diamond file with a flat one used for the forward end of the barrel
A cleaned up barrel sits on the carriage at top centre, the next task for the barrels is to have their muzzles drilled out, I have done a few of these by hand but I'm going to make up a wood and epoxy putty jig to hold the barrels dead straight for the mini-drill press to make things easier (the jig will incorporate both the full 12lb barrels and the dummy barrel 'plug-ins' for the rest of the 100+ gun barrels)
The carriage has been given three coats of Admiralty Paints yellow ochre (this bronze stuff needs at least three coats of light paint and two coats of black-metal to cover it properly). Once dry, the carriage plank lines were added with my finest paint brush using thinned down Citidel Inks Chaos Black, the edges of the planks in the 'steps' and around the wheels were also given shadows with the same ink. Once all this was dry I then dry-brushed the edges and corners of the carriage with white (Admiraly or Citidel, for dry brushing either one is fine)
The right hand cannon is complete as far as the paint scheme goes, the wheels have been painted in natural wood (walnut) with their axles added in a drop of yellow ochre and the drilled out barrel painted in Admiralty Paints Matt Black (Metal) with red ochre muzzles.
Also in the foreground is a length of brass wire wound around a metal drill shaft and cut down its length to produce metal rings. These were made for the 'window-type' gun ports, the ones for these cannon will have to be even smaller! What I will have to do soon is to glue thin squares of wood under the carriages sanded down to the wheels to provide a glueing point to fix the guns to the deck.

Hope this all makes sense, the next job after all the cannon are completed is to work out the gun tackle from multi strand electrical wire.
One word of advice - When you've got loads of cannon to make some of which are semi-hidden away below decks and some in plain view, DON'T make them one at a time and glue them straight down, make them all up as a separate project then keep the best looking ones back for the upper decks and use the others for 'down below'! Sounds ridiculously obvious but Mr. Sod's law usually rears its ugly head in these situations!!Crying
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First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale
Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault
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#22 Posted : 25 October 2012 15:44:52

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Great build Plymouth, i have this same model of the victory, now i realize i could upgrade it a bit like you are, but im already too far in, i'll enjoy looking at yours.
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#23 Posted : 25 October 2012 17:38:53

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Hey there Admiral!

Glad you're enjoying the diary, I must admit, since I joined this forum and began this build diary I've been taking far more photos of the old girl than I ever did before (you know, just in case!!BigGrin )
How far into your build are you? Still on the main hull like mine or way up into the masts and rigging! If you're still on the hull then the improvements to the stern galleries could still be feasible as it was mostly a case of simply removing the kit quarter galleries completely and adding the new ones onto the sides of the stern plate. The replacements are a little bigger than the originals, extending a couple of mm further forward so any marks or damage from the removals should be hidden away under/inside the newbies, the rest of the lower stern was added on top of the kit parts too.
I was also a little further ahead in the focs'l (how do you spell this word properly? it never looks right!), when I started the build again, I had brought the hull planks up level with the decks and had to strip the topmost ones off in order to carry on up the extended bulwarks, it didn't look pretty but it came off quite well. And don't forget the 'real' ships were constantly being ripped apart and rebuilt/redesigned, just look at the real Victory's stern, she looked more like a Spanish galleon at the start of her life!!Laugh
Keep popping back though and I hope you like the rest of my build (even though it will be slowing down soon when I've reached the end of what I've built already and move into the 'what I'm building now part!)
First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale
Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault
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#24 Posted : 26 October 2012 17:13:43

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YAAAAYYYYY!
I'm 1,000 today!!
Many thanks to all those who have visited my diary over the past weeks and I hope that you have enjoyed my catalogue of false starts and 'well it should have worked' moments as much as I have. The 'Ol Vic is coming along nicely albeit slowly (I'm waiting for my wood supplies to 'season', that's my excuse!)Glare and the gun section is really going to take a while. At the moment I'm knocking up a little basic jig to hold the cannon at the right distance from the gunport so I can work out the tackle so as soon as that is done I'll stick a photo up.
Thanks again and come back soon.
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Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault
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Im pretty much up to the rigging the masts and gallants, im not following the magazine though because they're really poor and unaccurate, so im just following a bunch of pictures from some really good models, so far so good. i think i'll keep the rest as it is and along the way buy a new HMS victory model, maybe one along the same scale as Sovereign of the seas.
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Hi All.
I'm going to be taking quite some time between finishing the gun port drips and installing the 12 pounders so I'll post my gun-building efforts in two parts - first how I'm going to upgrade the basic kit parts and later what the finished cannons look like in place on the ship.Cool

The first photo shows the basic little rigging jig for the cannon, its just a piece of wood for the base with a couple pieces of scrap plywood to make up the hull with the gunport cut out. This plywood was provided by the 'carrier' sheet from which the kit parts are cut out. I made up a small section of deck planking for the gun to stand on and painted the bulwarks inside and out, there was no physical reason for the decking or for painting the insides other than I found it easier to visualise the final 'look' of the cannon and tackle this way. As for painting the black and yellow stripes....all right! that's just me being silly!!Flapper

The first job was to measure the distance that the dummy cannon barrels stick out from the hull, this distance (5mm) would be the distance that the complete cannon barrels would have to conform to, giving a standard appearance. Once I had the barrel sticking out the correct distance I then measured how far in from the inside of the hull the front edge of the gun carriage was. The little wood strip box on the deck was then constructed around the carriage to lock it into position, each following gun would then be in exactly the same spot, the third photo shows a cannon sitting in this box.

The middle left picture shows the first jig for creating the block and tackle for the cannon. A length of thin electrical wire containing seven strands of 0.02mm copper wire (tinned) was stripped of its insulation and a single strand wound around the right hand pin (lightly tapped into the wooden base), the wire was then taken over to the left hand pin, wound round anti-clockwise and back to the right pin then repeated once more with the end 'tail' pulled back in the front (the corresponding tackle for the other side of the carriage will be wound the opposite way so the tail goes out behind the pins)
The wound wires were then lightly soldered to the pins to hold them in place. The idea you see, is that the heads of the pins will become the blocks for the 'block and tackle' once they have been cut away from the shaft of the pin. The general effect can be seen in the middle centre pic, note also the gentle curve or 'sag' of the tackle in the centre photo, this was achieved by simply smoothing a rounded object over the wires after the soldering ( I used a pair of round nosed tweezers). All that now remains is to create the two brass rings which will be soldered onto the sides of the pin heads, one will be glued onto the carriage (the right hand one in these photos) and the other will be glued to the inner hull, the rigidity of the wire itself will hold the tackle in position as the gun carriage is glued to the deck.
I also have to create the recoil ropes as well of course, that will hopefully appear in part two.
Oh well, in for a penny!...Up till now I had simply painted the 'square caps' securing the trunnions to the carriage but with all this super-detailing that was beginning to look..er, not as good as it once did! So now I have to make sets of caps from the same copper tape as I used for the coppering of the hull, two rivets punched in and the axle arch pressed into the very thin strip. You can see the size of these fiddly bits in the centre right pic they're about 4mm long once the arch is in, and I'm currently getting about two good ones in every three attempts! what you can't see on the basic jig is that I added a little channel routered into the base wood to press the arch into the copper strip, the difference between the two square caps can be seen in the final photo.

That's all for part one, hope you've enjoyed it and hopefully part two will be completed in the next year or so! (Just kidding...I think)Crying
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First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale
Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault
Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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This is getting more intricate by the minute so the gun building will now be in three parts!Blink

The photo below shows the continuing story of the Del Prado cannon upgrade as follows:

Photo 1 shows a length of 0.5mm brass wire wound around a 1.2mm drill bit to form the tiny rings needed for the gun tackle.
Photo 2 shows these rings being cut from the resulting coil. As you can see in this picture I've added another piece of planking on the end of the deck, this was originally to form a trough to hold the coil whilst I cut out the rings still around the drill bit with a razor saw. Unfortunately this proved more difficult than I expected so I've gone back to deciding that my smallest electrical snips are in fact small enough after all!, the trough or channel now simply keeps the coil in place so the rings don't fly off into the distance. On the right you can see the little channel routered into the base to form the copper tape square caps 'arch'.
Photos 3 and 4 show the brass rings held in the tip of a pair of self closing tweezers before and after soldering the joint.
Photo 5 is the completed block and tackle with the two brass rings soldered into place. The top ring goes against the inner hull and the one at 90 degrees will be superglued to the side of the carriage.
Photo 6 shows the same tackle painted and in position against the cannon. The ropes were painted with Admiralty white and walnut approximately 50-50, the blocks are walnut and the rings are Admiralty matt black (metal).

All that remains to complete this section is to cut the pin-head blocks away from the pin shafts (either by snips or cut off disc, not sure yet) and then just another 31 more to make!!
I had intended to make the recoil ropes out of the wire as well but having made up a trial twisted rope I will try making another out of traditional rigging thread with a light pva coating to mould it into shape instead. I'll find out by part three!Laugh
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First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale
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OK, here's Part 3.

The first of the eighteen 12 pounders is now completed apart from the coils of rope to finish off the tackle, these will be made up separate from the trailing 'rope' visible in these photos, the trails will be snipped to size and the coils glued to the deck at the end of them.

The first photo shows the completed cannon still contained within the retaining box with the tackle rings resting against the hull.
The photo below this shows the same gun removed from the jig to illustrate how the wire-made tackle remains in position due to its own rigidity (unlike the more traditional thread and blocks as used in larger scales like the DeAgostini and my earlier Grimsby)

The large photo shows the finished cannon in place on the starboard quarter deck, this is not the actual gun port this one will be fixed at however, that will be the one on the right so that I can then plan out the steps up to the poop deck.
So thats it! Only another fifteen to go!Crying (Not seventeen as the two cannon just above and to the rear of the entry ports can't be seen from above and have to be fitted in through the gun ports themselves so I don't need to go beyond the basic upgrading shown earlier for them (thank God!)BigGrin

All in all this first one has gone pretty well apart from two bits - firstly the pva'd rope breeching was an absolute pig to get to stay in the position I wanted and the tied off rings which went on the end of those ropes refused to be superglued time and again, thankfully they did in the end (superglue doesn't like pva perhaps?) and secondly, my good old faithfull temperature controlled soldering iron worked perfectly on the first set of tackle and then started blowing fuse after fuse on the second. In the end I had to use an old cheapie soldering iron (after I found a mains plug for it), it does the job but the tip is a biggish chisel point, far harder to get under the pin heads than the tiddly nice shaped one on the other iron. See what Sod's Law does!!Mad

I hope this method will be useful to anyone else into smaller scales and I'll try to put up some more pics of these guns when they are finally all in position. Like I said earlier, see you next year!!!BigGrin
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First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale
Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault
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Cannon Update...

The gun building is proceeding slowly (understatement) and I've made a couple of slight adjustments to the cannon jig.
Firstly I've made a secondary jig to make the wire and brass pin tackle on, this is simply a scrap piece of wood with pencil lines to mark the positions of the pins. There were two reasons for this, firstly having the pins in the same jig as the cannon is fine at first but it becomes difficult to produce the second tackle once the first is in place on the cannon and secondly it was becoming obvious that after just a couple of tackles had been made up, the next pair of pins were becoming very loose which made trying to cut them off a nightmare! The cutting disk was simply lifting the whole tackle assembly out of the jig instead of cutting through the pin shafts.Mad

The second addition is a set of little 'L' brackets made out of the same 0.5mm brass wire as the rings set into the bulkhead. The rings on the recoil rope and those soldered onto the wire tackle now slip over these brackets which is much easier (see the first photo)

The second photo shows the first two 12lb-ers rigged up and glued in place, these will be under the steps to the poop deck soon(ish)Blink

See you soon and Happy Building!

PS. The black edge to the poop deck doesn't actually stick out over the edge! thats the first two gun port lids in place!!
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Hi All.

Just a quick update to the update!Blink
The two left hand photos show the completed cannon barrel drilling jig, this is just a pair of scrap blocks of wood, drilled slightly oversized whilst clamped together to accept the two forms of barrel, the full 12 pounder and the dummy 'universal cannon' 'plug ins'. The resulting half drill holes were then filled with milliput epoxy putty (one side at a time) and the barrels pushed half way into the putty. When I did the second half I covered the first one with a very fine graphite powder which I hoped would prevent the two from sticking together. Needless to say I WON'T be trying that again!Mad I did thankfully manage to separate the two sides eventually, (not a pretty sight!) and with a little cleaning up the jig now works quite well, holding the barrels at 90 degrees in a pillar drill vice so the muzzles can be drilled out for a better looking effect.
The big photo shows the next modification to the cannon jig. Instead of using hole after hole in the wood for the brass pins with the resulting problems in the cutting off procedure at the end, I have now nailed an off cut of 1mm brass plate to the base with two holes drilled into that for the pins. The brass pins are now lightly tapped into that and soldered down, keeping them secured and at a better height for the cutting off too. BigGrin
The fitting of the cannons onto the decks is temporarily halted until I've finished all the gun port drips with their lead pipe rope channels. I've discovered that glued down cannons don't react favourably to having aluminium tubes hammered into the hull right outside of them!!Cursing
If nothing else, our hobby certainly encourages experimentation!

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Whilst the cannons are ticking along ever so slowly (I'm waiting for a replacement soldering station to arrive now!) Cursing
Here's a quick look at where those cannons will be going to live.
Built as per the instructions, the gun ports don't have that thick wall of oak effect which is so obvious on the real ship. To improve the 'look' of this part of the hull I decided to add an inner side and bottom to the gun ports which, when painted in the red ochre against the matt black interior gives the desired effect. The extra panels were simply off cuts from the darker wood veneer supplied with the kit for the second planking of the hull, each set of three per gun port were cut to size and glued in place with pva (I wasn't going to risk super glue in there!!)
As you will notice I've included the two metal rings which hang off the inside of the lid. Adding these really seems to increase the 3D effect of the gun port lid and I think is well worth the extra effort.
The finished gun port in the final picture is one of the only two completed at this stage. Two down, only another ninety eight to go.Crying
I thought this hobby was supposed to be relaxing!
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Hi Plymouth.
Fantastic build keep the pictures coming Ian Cool
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Wow! Nice tweaks there!
I'll be following this thread with great admiration
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Truly first rate build there Plymouth, am following with a great deal of interest....BigGrin

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Thanks to all the above for their kind comments, I'm really glad you are enjoying the diary as much as I'm enjoying the buildBigGrin
And Alan, "first rate", best pun ever!!LOL

Be back as soon as I can (flamin' gun ports permitting)
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Plymouth57 wrote:
Thanks to all the above for their kind comments, I'm really glad you are enjoying the diary as much as I'm enjoying the buildBigGrin
And Alan, "first rate", best pun ever!!LOL

Be back as soon as I can (flamin' gun ports permitting)


Plymouth, nice to see you cottoned onto the pun...lol.... seriously though, she really is looking remarkable..... keep up the excellent work....

Alan
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Hi again all!

Just a quick update to illustrate the steps required to slightly alter the stock gun port lids supplied with the kit fit in with my hull improvements.
The photo below shows the stages involved beginning with the drip boards along the top line.
'A' shows the front of the unpainted drip board. As mentioned earlier in the build, there should be two versions of this for absolute accuracy, the upper gun decks should have an upside down 'V' shape whilst the lowest gun deck would have the 'U' shaped ones shown here.
'B' shows the rear of this same part, for some unknown reason DelPrado supplied these bits in two versions, about a third of them were flat on the back apart from the two locating pips in the centre, the other two thirds are like this with the two pips plus a raised bar above them..WHY? These drips are supposed to be glued flat against the hull above the gun port, this bar simply raises the drip out with a tiny but noticeable gap behind it!Cursing. The only remedy is to file off the raised bar back level again as can be seen in 'C'

Fig 1 indicates the stock lid from front and rear. In the kit build there are two little lugs which are supposed to fit into the space behind the drip in the metal 'box', trapping the hinge in place. In my upgraded hull there is a larger gap between the box and the drip so the lugs don't work anymore! Blink Since the drips are glued in place before the lids the lugs have to come off (ground down to be exact).

Fig 2 shows these lugs removed, the edges of the lid have also been sanded to remove the slightly rounded faces and the rear has had its first coat of Admiralty Paints Red Ochre

Fig 3 is the final stage with the black front and black metal hinges painted and dry brushed in white and the rear given a second coat of red ochre and similarly dry brushed with white.

Their fitting can be seen in the post before this one, slightly the wrong way round I know (the posts I mean, not the lids!!BigGrin )

Back soon.
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First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale
Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault
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OK, my replacement variable temperature soldering iron has now arrived so the cannon tackle production can now resume. All but three of the gun carriages have been painted and are ready for their barrels and the cleaning up and drilling of the dummy barrels is going well.
As I was proceeding from the stern to the bow on the upper gun deck I suddenly remembered there was one job that I hadn't begun yet (two if you include the bendy wooden strip that goes from the head timbers to the cats head support), this was to build in the three fenders on each side which would be far trickier once there are cannons and gunport lids sticking out all over the place!Crying

The DelPrado kit doesn't include any fenders at all despite them being clearly visible on the Issue 1 fold out picture of the completed ship! The first attempt was a complete disaster! I had used my little metal profiler (a short handle with loads of little metal pins which takes up the shape of whatever it's pushed up against) I transferred the shape onto a lollipop stick of all things and cut/ground the stick to shape except that it didn't fit at all. The problem was with all the wales and mouldings, the profiler just couldn't go 'fine' enough to produce an accurate profile. (Wasn't even worth a photo!)Blushing

The second attempt involved cutting a groove into those wales and mouldings producing a smoother contour which I tried the profiler on again. The second shaping produced something which fitted well at the bottom but had a 1mm gap at the top. I then filled in the gap with fillets of scrap wood to produce the 'shaper' seen in pic 1. Using this I drew up and cut out a thin card former which fitted perfectly. Great I thought and transferred the shape to the wood strip which was cut out to match. The wooden strip was exactly the same shape as the card, the card fitted exactly and the wood? -Cursing No words required!!

Why one fitted and the other wouldn't I have no idea but by now I'd had enough of trying to shape flaming wood which wouldn't co-operate so I decided on the Mk3 method which is similar to Bernd's diary fenders. I soaked a suitable length of strip wood and once pliable bent and fixed it into position with a couple of brass pins. It fits well at the top and bottom with only a small gap of about half a mm in the centre which is filled in with plastic wood as in pic 2. Pic 3 shows the slot for the second fender in place and the big picture shows the completed first halves of both fenders. Once everything is dried, filled and sanded, the next stage will be to fit a thinner upper strip over the first, shaped and rounded off at top and bottom. I'll post another pic when this is completed and after that - more gun ports!!Crying
Plymouth57 attached the following image(s):
Fenders Pt1 pic.JPG
Fenders Pt1a pic.JPG
First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale
Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault
Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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#39 Posted : 03 December 2012 11:21:14

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Well done, Robin!
Your hull-upgrades are looking great. Love
And thinking that everything is quite a bit smaller compared to deAgo's Victory .... Crying
Keep up the good work!

Best regards, Bernd
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Phew!
The port side fenders are now complete. The twins are composed of three pieces each; the square section soaked and let in to the 'de-waled' slot up the hull, a thinner top section to cover the square and a tiny piece on top of the deck edge rounded off to form the er, ...rounded bit!BigGrin (Thanks to Bernd for his lovely photos!)
The single fender fo'ward should have been two pieces, but ended up as four since I cut the slot a little over size in the top two mouldings and had to put two fillets in to fill it up again.Blushing
The first 12 pounder has been glued into place (second open gun port back from the fenders), this proved a little more difficult that anticipated, I had tried many dry fits sliding the cannon in on its side through the gun port with no problems, unfortunately when I glued the little square wooden 'peg' under the carriage arch which will be the part actually glued to the deck, the little Cursing wouldn't fit through any more! It had to follow a more circuitous route, down through the waist and back under the quarter deck, pushed and pulled with my longest thinnest tools until it was positioned just back from the port (not the easiest job!) then a good blob of PVA and a pair of long nosed tweezers to pull it forward into place.
Now that's done it's time to swing her about and do it all on the starboard side as well.Crying
Plymouth57 attached the following image(s):
Port Fenders completed Pic.JPG
First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale
Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault
Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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