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Up-grading the Del Prado 1/100 Victory Options
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#441 Posted : 08 August 2016 16:09:51

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I'm not surprised the view count keeps going up and up Robyn as your posts full of useful tips with detailed instructions of how you achieved what you do, a most fascinating read indeed.
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#442 Posted : 12 August 2016 01:08:45

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Many thanks to Martyn, Tony and Alan for those kind words!

No actual up-date as such, the only work I've been able to do on the old girl is to add a couple more of the main mast chains as I've either been concentrating on Frederick or else been knackered up with a bad back!
Instead, here's a special offer to the many loyal visitors to this diary who continue to return again and again (judging by the ever increasing viewing count which never ceases to surprise me!)
Shown below is a fantastic paperback book "Trafalgar" by Oliver Warner. This is the full story of the most famous naval battle of the 19th century. The first half of the book is concerned with the lead up to the battle, in itself a fascinating insight into the brilliance of Nelson's ability to read the minds of his opponents and to think (several) steps ahead of them. The actual battle is described in great detail as is the aftermath and what happened to the various ships. One piece that I had never heard of is that there were actually two Battles of Trafalgar - the main battle everyone thinks of and a second, smaller battle in which the un-engaged French/Spanish vanguard who 'bugged out'and ran for port later came out again to attempt to re-capture some of their heavily damaged ships after the main British fleet had set off for Gibraltar. Their luck hadn't changed much however and they ran slap bang into a smaller British flotilla which had arrived too late for the battle and were themselves looking for the rest of the fleet - another battle - same result!
This book was given to me by Paul (Gibbo) who is currently engaged in constructing not one but two Victorys (the DelPrado like mine and also the DeAgostini 'biggie'. Paul sent it to me to read and then pass on to another member to enjoy. So here it is - a highly recommended and fact filled read, so I'll pass it on to the first member who replies to this offer - just let me know here and I'll PM you for your postal address. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did and many thanks to Paul again!

Robin.

Glad you enjoyed it as much as i did Robin and great to see you pass it on.
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#443 Posted : 14 January 2018 16:46:47

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Well, she’s back! The last posting for this poor old girl was seventeen months ago, and the last time I worked on her was even longer than that, first the Messines diorama, then the Scramble, then Frederick in his armour and finally the Pups – all of them meant I’d very little time and even less working space to get on with my DelPrado Victory. Until now though, a partial re-working of my attic workroom with some extra work top space means I can now rotate the Victory in and out of the work area which she is now sharing with the Chindit bust scratch build. I should really be continuing on with the chainwales but first I wanted to try and do some alterations to the figure head for reasons shown below.
Photo 1 shows the two cast side sections of the DelPrado kit figure head (I’ve already done the central coat of arms section shown earlier in the diary). The part on the left which is the starboard section isn’t too bad but the opposite port piece (although you can’t tell in this shot) is awful!Crying Photos 2 and 3 illustrates the problem – the upraised arm supposedly holding the coat of arms on the starboard cherub is ok, the port one however is mounted on a slab of extra metal with the upraised arm attached to it (his arm therefore is about three feet wide!) As you can see in Photo 3, I’d begun to try and file the extra metal away (started before the last post in fact and shown by the yellow arrow) but although this casting metal is brittle at times, it’s as tough as hell when you’re trying to file it down, even with powered diamond dust grinders! Anyhow, after all the newly learnt resin casting skills acquired with the Pups I thought – why not make a mould of this ‘orrible thing and cast it in resin. Then I could cut away the excess parts far easier than in metal. The titchy little mould is shown in Photo 4, the metal casting is simply pushed onto the soft plasticene base and a basic wall of lego pushed down around it. A couple teaspoons of silicone rubber later and I had an open ended mould to pour a little resin into. The first result was as shown in Photo 5, almost a perfect casting except for a single air bubble – marked by the ‘x’ and right on the very arm I was trying to create!Cursing Typical! On the second attempt I moved the resin around in the arm space with a cocktail stick and the result is shown in Photo 6 along with the paper/card modelling knife and the resin waste, which was carved away to create the ‘proper’ shaped arm.
Unfortunately for Victory this isn’t the end of the re-construction work. When I glued on the decorative mouldings onto her curved beakhead (again, metal castings) I didn’t glue the outer one right out to the edge of the beakhead as there are holes that needed to go in there for part of the bowsprit rigging. As a result, there isn’t enough space for the figurehead side panels to fit flush against the wood. To be honest, looking at the area at the bow, even if I had fitted the moulding further forward I still don’t think the side panels will fit in there. Consequently I am currently planning out an additional section of wood to move the coat of arms forward allowing the cherubs to fit in behind it. I did think about snapping off the mouldings (a la Gibbo) but I’ve already built in the anchor rope re-enforcement timbers to fit the existing shape of the moulding (plus I haven’t got Gibbo’s guts!)Blushing So in the next instalment, re-shaping that beakhead and hopefully completing the figurehead!

Until then, Happy (Re)Modelling to you All!

Robin.
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Replacing Figure head supports pic 1.JPG
First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale
Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault
Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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#444 Posted : 14 January 2018 18:04:23

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BigGrin wonderful job on the upgrades Robin Cool Looking forward to seeing your next instalment ThumpUp
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#445 Posted : 14 January 2018 22:38:09

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Very neat Robin.

I really do like how you cast these resin replacements.
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#446 Posted : 14 January 2018 23:46:36

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Great to see you back working on this one Robin, look forward to seeing her progress.... All looking good....Cool Cool

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#447 Posted : 15 January 2018 23:45:11

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Great to see you back on the "ol girl" Robin and a lovely job on the casting, i'll have to check mine tomorrow now to make sure i haven't got the same problem, if anybody can make this work it's you mate, looking forward to seeing how it all works out.
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#448 Posted : 16 January 2018 12:38:45

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Great to see you back on her Robin. Look forward to seeing your progress.
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#449 Posted : 19 January 2018 22:20:53

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Thanks once again to Martyn, Tony, Alan, Paul and Ian! It's nice to be back on her again after all this time - although after all that nice clean paper and card building the Pups I'd forgotten just how messy wood working was!BigGrin
In the end I decided to go the whole hog NO! I didn't rip everything off!Blink I went and cast the other 'better' cherub as well to even everything up. In this installment, before painting up the castings and fitting them in I've had to re-model the top of the beakhead to allow enough space for the resins to fit....

Photo 7 illustrates the position of the coat of arms centre piece of the figurehead before the problems were found. Note the forward decorative curved strip, it terminates right under the scroll-work of the coat of arms. The side pieces with the cherubs is supposed to fit between the centre piece and the upper most curved beam (with the netting attached) – well it won’t!Blink
Without ripping all the bow decoration off (faint) the other solution is to move the centre piece forward creating more space for the cherubs. The first task therefore was to fill in the cut out on the top of the beakhead where the coat of arms fitted onto. The metal centre piece came off very easily (which didn’t bode well for other parts super glued on!) I then cut a section of the thick sapele wood planking which came with my old Constructo Grimsby kit and glued that into the space as shown in Photo 8. Then, with another length of that same plank (you can see how thick that stuff was) I cut a section to run from the top of the beakhead about halfway down to the waterline. This was given the necessary curve with my Amati plank nipper as shown in Photo 9. This tool is years old now, bought to build the Grimsby with decades ago. Back then it came with just the blade in the jaws, not with a selection AND a brass bending gizmo too! Once there was a slight curve, I then sanded the plank down on the outer face, reducing the thickness to a razor edge at the bottom and then re-nipped the plank over and over again until the curvature matched the profile of the bow. The formed plank was then glued to the beakhead with Gorilla wood glue (I didn’t want that piece going anywhere!) This is shown in Photo 10. I then carefully sanded down the sides of the add-ons until they were flush with the existing wood and re-sanded the front edge to fair the join together (Photo 11). When satisfied with the finish the new wood was painted with Admiralty Dull Black to match the old as in Photo 12 and once dry the centre piece was super glued back in position. If you compare Photo 13 with Photo 7, you can see how the coat of arms has now moved forward with the bottom scroll now further to the bow, allowing the side pieces to fit in place.
In the next installment, once I’ve bought some more gold acrylic to replace the Citadel Shining Gold which I’ve just discovered has dried out on me, the cherubs and scrolls can get painted up and fitted in place.

Until then, Happy Modelling to you All!

Robin.
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Replacing Figure head supports pic 2.JPG
First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale
Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault
Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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#450 Posted : 20 January 2018 00:06:45

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Nicely done Robin, i had to do something similar to mine,how are getting on with the mast plans ?
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Very nice work as usual Robin, looks fab....Cool Cool .. I like using the plank nipper for putting curves on wood, especially hard wood. As long as you can't see the inside of the piece then its an ideal tool....Cool Cool

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#452 Posted : 28 January 2018 22:10:15

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Many thanks to Paul and Alan! My first resin upgrade has gone pretty well overall - crew figures a definite possibility now!BigGrin
As you can see from Photo 14, in the end I decided to go the whole hog and replaced both of the cast metal side pieces with resin copies, in this photo they have been sprayed with Poundland Matt Black Car Primer as an undercoat. The painting then followed in the sequence shown here – Photo 15: The Cherubs were painted white with Revell Aqua Colour (Color) White Matt with the blue robe painted with Vallejo 70.943 Grey Blue and the red robe in Vallejo 70.926 Red. Both robes were then highlighted with a dry brushing of the base colour mixed with a drop of white and once dry the robes and the cherubs were given a thinned down wash of Citadel Shadow Black Ink. Next the golden decoration on the scrolls and swirls was picked out in Revell Aqua Colour Gold Metallic, (Photo 16). The next task was to try and paint the blue motto ribbon “DIEU ET MON DROIT”, (God is My Right). This was of course in three parts – DIEU on the starboard side, DROIT on the port and the ET MON already painted on the coat of arms centre piece. Now the ET MON was moulded fairly well under the coat of arms and I’d managed to paint that to an acceptable standard, but try as I might, the two side sections just weren’t moulded cleanly enough on the metal originals which meant the resin copies couldn’t be any better either (as you can see in Photo 17). What I should have done was to fill in the moulded letters to a flat face before casting the part but I didn’t realise how bad the letters were until it was time to paint them! The easiest solution now was to replace the curled ribbons with a small section of the DecraLed strip, cut to shape with the tail curved around a suitable round spindle (one of my steel disc cutters I bought to cut out small holes in the paper Pups build). The first one is shown in Photo 17 whilst both of them are shown super glued in position in Photo 18. Once glued in place they were painted with Admiralty French Blue and once that was dry, DIEU and DROIT was duly painted on with the Revell Gold as illustrated in Photo 19. Finally, I could get the two side pieces glued into place on Victory’s bow. The Blue Cherub fitted on nice and easy but for some reason Red was a much tighter fit, in fact in the end I was forced to gently twist the top and bottom of the Cherub and scroll in opposite directions to get a slight rotation in the figurehead to allow it to fit in. Once they were in place, the excess lead strip on the ribbon was carefully trimmed off and the lead glued to the centre piece. Photos 20 and 21 illustrates the completed three section figurehead. Overall I’m quite pleased with the finished article, especially the lead ribbon replacement, much better than the original over thick part and also, if I’d tried to grind down the kit part to the right thickness, I still wouldn’t have been able to fit the red one in properly – the metal version wouldn’t have been able to twist into position!Cool
Now I suppose I’ll have to get back to those flipping chainwales!Blink

Until then, Happy Modelling to you All!


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Replacing Figure head supports pic 4.JPG
First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale
Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault
Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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#453 Posted : 30 January 2018 02:03:47

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A great job Robin, they look fantastic mate.
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Awesome painting skills! Looking fantastic!
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Great job on the painting, the figures and crest look superb.

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Hi Robin
Just found these etch channel chains if you haven't already done yours
www.scalewarship.com/store/index.php
route=product/product&path=196_197&product_id=364
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Hi Robin,
Congratulations on you paint job, especially the Figurehead. WOW!!!
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Cool Fantastic job on the figure head.BigGrin
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Cool Fantastic job on the figure head.BigGrin
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