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Up-grading the Del Prado 1/100 Victory Options
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#81 Posted : 07 February 2013 12:12:57

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Top notch Robin, nice work ,looking goodLove Cool BigGrin
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#82 Posted : 08 February 2013 02:16:45

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Great progress! when i was building this i found the ships wheel to be really weird seeing as its only half a wheel :/
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#83 Posted : 09 February 2013 23:06:55

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Thanks for all the great comments guys!
I know what you mean about that wheel Admiral, its a pity since there is just enough room under the poop deck to have fitted a full disk of a wheel in there too!
I don't know if you kept the fold out poster of the finished ship that came with issue 1, I use mine as the bookmark in the folder of build instructions and the big picture shows a complete double wheel! (unfortunately there is no binnacle at all and the wheel is positioned on the quarterdeck way in front of the poop!)Confused
At the moment I'm making up the four waist ladders and finally re-painting the carronades, only four and a half cannon to go!BigGrin

See you all soon

Robin
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#84 Posted : 09 February 2013 23:47:24

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Hi Robin, carry on as you are doing and you are going to end up with one seriously stunning model..... the more I look the more I want to look.... I will be adding a number of you changes to my Vic when the time comes...... great stuff.....BigGrin BigGrin

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#85 Posted : 21 February 2013 22:38:35

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Thanks a lot for those wonderful comments Alan, I'm really glad you're finding my diary useful for when you start to scratch that itch!BigGrin
This is just a quick update on the carronades. As mentioned earlier I wasn't satisfied with the original finish to these 'smashers'! I originally painted them with the Citidel paints which looked fine until I purchased my Admiralty paints and began painting the 12lb-ers in the correct authentic colours. Once they started coming off the production line the carronades didn't match up any more. The sequence for their new paint job is outlined below.
Photo 1 shows the original finish. If all the guns were painted in this scheme the carronades would have been perfectly ok, but they were'nt so....Crying
Photos 2,3 and 4 show the repaint with the Admiralty colours as well as the small brass rings which were superglued to the sides to take the breeching ropes. The sheet of stripes is a set of letraset rub down transfers, a small strip was sliced across with a sharp blade and the transfer rubbed down onto the back of the carriage to simulate the slider slot that the upper carriage would recoil down when the carronade was fired. Once rubbed down the transfer was fixed with matt varnish. After some light white dry brushing to highlight the raised details the breeching rope was threaded through the thimble and the two rings before being tied off through two more brass rings.
Photo 5 is the finished result of all the above with just the traversing tackle to be made up and fitted. This will be of the brass pin and wire method as used for all the 12lb-ers. It was not worth making up a jig for this, there are only two carronades and since they are situated at a slightly curving section of the hull the curve is reversed for the two sets of tackle which means all four sets of block (pins) and tackle (wire) are different lengths!
Just four more 12lb-ers to go now (but then I have to do a set of running in tackle for the rear of each one!)Crying Crying Still, the waist deck area is really starting to fill in nicely now!

See you all soon.

Robin
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First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale
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#86 Posted : 21 February 2013 22:45:13

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excellent build log, great looking ship,

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Robin, this is a nice clean working
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You are working wonders with this kit, very nice - also, i have just found your binnacle build which i will def be using on my de ag victory when i get a chance, love the idea of the fiber light as well, didnt do lighting in mine though but love to see it working.
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#89 Posted : 25 February 2013 21:58:30

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Hi All.
Many thanks to Mo, Reiner and Stevie for your kind comments, they make all the swearing and threats with lump hammers worth while!BigGrin

In this section I'll illustrate the procedures I followed to create the waist area steps. In the kit build instructions these steps are built with only four rungs or treads, according to my reference books they should actually have nine! I did originally intend to try and fit all the nine in but got so carried away in fitting the rungs in place I accidently left two out!Blushing so my steps have only seven rungs which, although not as accurate as I would have liked doesn't look too bad (and a damned sight better than just four!) They are also slightly thinner in width than the kit instructions too. The kit rungs were 5mm across but I measured the steps on the reference plans, multiplied them to full size and then brought them back to 1/100 scale which came out as 4.8mm so that's what I went with.
In the photos below (which I forgot to number!), the top left pic shows my preferred method of ladder or step construction. I have always found it very difficult to reproduce multiple lengths of wood all to the same exact length. In this scale especially, a difference of just 0.25mm will be either too long or just too short so I simply make two rungs as close to identical as possible, glue those at top and bottom as on the left and then make up the rest of the rungs individually to fit exactly into the space between the sides of the steps as on the right. The wood for the rungs came from the waste plywood sheet that the Grimsby's fighting tops were supposed to be made from. (It was far too thin for that incidentally, but just right for these steps)
The next step was to cut four groves into the side wood with the cut off disk to counter sink the four pieces of 7mm brass rod to form the bannister posts. Two of the grooves can be seen in the top right pic, these were for the bottom posts.
The bottom left pic shows the brass rods superglued in place. These were then painted in Admiralty Metal Black.
Finally, the bottom right pic shows the completed steps with the rope bannister glued in place and painted in a 2:1 Admiralty White and Walnut Wood mix. The ropes themselves are made from the same 0.2mm electric wire as I've used to make the gun tackle.
The second, large photo shows one of the steps (the only one completed at the moment) in place down in the waist. It is only resting against the beam at the moment, I won't be able to glue it down for some time yet, firstly I still have the last four cannon to stick down in the waist and secondly, the idiot building this great ship has gone completely mad and decided to recruit an entire scratch built 1/100 scale crew to man the guns and any other part of the ship they will fit on!Crying
Why can't I just build a simple kit?Crying Crying

See you all soon.

Robin
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Another piece of superb work Robin, think the word would majestic...... Well done....

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#91 Posted : 26 February 2013 11:01:32

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Good job there Robin. Well done. Research obviously helps in the end.
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#92 Posted : 28 February 2013 22:06:45

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Many thanks for those comments guys, greatly appreciated although I might have to enlarge the attic hatchway to get up to my workroom, it seems to be getting tighter around my head lately!!BigGrin

Speaking of hatchways, here's the latest 'improvement' to my basic DelPrado. Unfortunately I hadn't noticed in time that there was a missing item in the area of the quarter deck steps - namely the hatchway to the middle gun deck which is directly beneath those quarter deck steps. Had I noticed it earlier I could have marked and cut it out before I fitted the plywood quarter deck itself. But, as you will see by the end of this little section, if I had, I'd have been even more depressed than I am now!BigGrin

What I decided to do was to construct a 'false hatchway' to glue on top of the decking in the stair well to simulate the missing hatch. The photos below (which I did remember to number this time!) show the construction steps.
Pic 1 is the very thin veneer rectangle which will form the false hatch, it has already been given a coat of Citidel Chaos Black (which, despite the photos is much more matt than the Admiral Black).
Pic 2 is the same panel with the square wood edges superglued in place and the next pic is the hatchway completed with 7mm brass posts and the good old 0.2mm wire ropes, glued and painted as before.
Pic 4 shows the main steps partially built in place over the hatchway as it will be once fitted. The bottom of the stair sides have been cut out to fit over the forward edge of the hatch as per the original. There is still another cut to be made on the sides to fit the wooden ornate bannister posts (once I've decided what to make them out of). The steps have the full nine treads fitted, unlike the official instructions which had only four!Blink
The final pic in this post shows the false hatch being very gently 'tweezered' through the quarter deck hatch. Previous to this I had measured the distance from the front of the steps to the cut out for the edging wood and then cut a scrap of wood to that length. This scrap was then placed up against the grating immediately in front of the steps and a couple of pencil marks made on the deck. This would be the front edge of the hatchway so a dollop of PVA was 'plonked' onto the deck behind the pencil marks and the hatchway slid through the hole and into position. After that I completed the steps (minus the bannister posts) and gently placed it into position as a dry fit.
Now for the depressing part! I now realised why DelPrado hadn't bothered to include the hatch - with the steps in place you can't see a damned bit of it! Well not quite true, you can see the forward corner of the rope bannister on either side but not a sign of the hatchway itself!!Crying
If I had just put in the four steps instead of the nine you could probably have seen the hatch between them, still I'm glad I did it, I know its in there! BigGrin
Unfortunately all this building better steps has brought up another problem - the steps leading down to the middle gun deck from the waist. They were built far earlier in the construction and were built according to the instructions and up against the later additions they look very amateurish so, with great trepidation and a constant voice in my head whispering "You'll be sorry!" I managed to rip out those steps. One came quietly, the other came in pieces (dragging a couple of extra bits that shouldn't have come with it!) But they're out now so I can replace them with better scaled versions soon.
I'll be back once those replacements are completed.

Happy building to all!

Robin
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First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale
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Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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Great work and such attention to accurate detail. When it's all finished you you won't be worrying whether the stairs have 8 treads or 9. lol.

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Mo wrote:
Great work and such attention to accurate detail. When it's all finished you you won't be worrying whether the stairs have 8 treads or 9. lol.

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LOL LOL LOL Mo....knowing Robin and his eye for accuracy, yes he will ..... Robin, super work as usual.....

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Hi Mo and Alan.

You're probably both right, if it's out of sight I'll hopefully ignore it, if it's annoying me I'll make up a jolly jack tar and plonk him down running up the steps to hide it!!LOL

Thanks for looking in!

Robin
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Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault
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Hi again!

Here's part two of the main steps area, the construction of the hatchway barrier and the stairway bannister.

Photo 1 below shows the main steps just placed in position to check the fit against the wooden surround.
Photo 2 is the beginning of the barrier construction with a plywood jig marked out to the dimensions of the hatchway. The posts are made from the last of my freebie bamboo skewers from Iceland's Party Packs, the same ones that I used for the poop deck steps. I first had to gently carve the rounded sections from a flat cylinder into more of a 'greek vase' profile by means of a new(ish) safety razor blade, once that was done I then filed the top and bottom rings into a square section before gluing the posts onto the jig with a spot of PVA.
Photo 3 shows the basic two level barrier using a length of 1mm square wood strip from CMB. This took a few hours more than anticipated after the top left post came away from the jig when I tried to fit the lower beam in position!Crying
Photo 4 is the completed barrier after painting it with Admiralty Paints Walnut Wood brown and dry-brushing the edges with white. Note the two little blocks at the open end of the barrier, these will later butt onto the bannister which leads down to the lower posts (again 1mm sq strip).
Photo 5 shows the completed assembly 'posed' in place on a strip of perspex to illustrate how the steps fit in relation to the top rails and the large photo below shows the completed hatchway with the steps, barrier and bannister all glued in position.
Overall I'm very pleased with this little 'flat pack' assembly. It looks just about to scale and lends a very 3D appearance to the quarterdeck. It also starts to make the ship look more vulnerable to round shot damage as she was in real life too! The effect of that Walnut paint is also very realistic and does look just like real wood as well (even if it is actually real wood underneath! BigGrin

Thanks for looking in all, see you again soon.

Robin
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First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale
Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault
Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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Hi Robin, another inspirational lesson with excellent results.... nice to see you got your 9 rungs on your ladder...LOL LOL .... very well done indeed....

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Hi Robin.super work Cool
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Hi all and many thanks to Alan and Reiner!Blushing (Correct, there were nine steps after all but down to pure luck! I got really carried away with gluing the treads in place and forgot to measure the gaps between them. After sticking in the top and bottom ones I carried on putting in the rest by eye and by sheer chance ended up with the nine!) Phew!

A brief interlude here away from bits of wood and PVA! As I mentioned a little earlier I have stupidly decided to add a crew to the old girl and as nobody had the decency to sell 1/100 scale Nelsonian crew figures (despite hours of trawling the web) guess what that means! Crying

Anyhow! There are 1/100 scale figures around, just not wearing what I need. The first pic below shows the crew newly arrived from China, 100 figures for just £4.89 including p&p! (Try getting that in a model shop over here!) They are of course railway passengers in modern dress which will have to be heavily modified before the press gang gets to them! Although they came from China, their actual origin is probably indicated by the fact that I have at least 12 Japanese Geisha girls in amongst them, (More research needed, were there any Geishas on board the Vic at Trafalgar?)BigGrin
The second pic shows the evolution of the very first member of the crew, namely Lieutenant Furstman. He was made from two of the figures, the man standing with hands in pockets on the left and the standing man on his right who provided the arms. On the right of this pic is the finished Lieutenant with carved down jacket to remove the modern lapels, legs shaved down a little and new lapels made from the copper tape I used on the hull. His coat has been built up with milliput to form the coat tails and a bicorn hat carved out of a piece of plastic rod.
Pics 3 - 6 show the finished chap after a coat of grey (Admiralty White and Black) although in future figures I'll be getting a new pot of Citidel grey, the Admiralty paints go too thick and stodgy, too quickly after they've been mixed to paint fine detail in time.
The final pic shows Lieutenant Furstman against one of my Brandywine Redcoats, the Redcoat is in 1/72 scale, very close to the DeAg Victory figures, poor old Furstman looks like a Hobbit beside him!Blink

What I am not doing here is building finished figures, although the temptation is really hard to resist! What I'm doing is very similar to my Brandywine diorama, I'm making a series of standard figures, crewmen, officers, midshipmen etc. in no particular pose and then I'm going to make a silicone mould to cast those figures in white metal which, once made will be almost like the old Airfix Multipose figures, I will be able to bend arms and legs into different positions, cut arms off and swap around and different heads too. That's why I'm not too bothered about getting the finish on each figure absolutely perfect (as you can see from the photos!) There will be a hell of a lot of work to do on them over the months ahead, but it should be a useful diversion to break up the (sometimes repetitive)construction of the ship herself (Not that I'm complaining of course, only THREE more bloody cannon to go! But a lot more cannon barrels!Crying )

See you all soon.

Robin
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First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale
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Fantastic Robin, maybe you should think of patenting your moulds and selling figures to other modellers..... may end up being a nice little earner for you especially when you say you spent hours trawling the web for figures of the right scale and period with no luck at all..... If you think I'm crazy then I would agree....LOL LOL LOL ... Look forward to seeing the finished articles though....

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