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Deck Planking/Caulking Options
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#1 Posted : 03 July 2010 16:54:58

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I've spent the afternoon doing some deck planking.

As far as my knowledge goes these are 3 and 4 butt shift system deck planking, I will add more pictures to show how I did it and what I used but for now (as wife has come in with shopping, she has 3 crates of luke warm Becks beer)

3 Butt Shift System


4 Butt Shift System

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#2 Posted : 03 July 2010 17:13:29

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Nice one! Thanks for the effort.

So, simply giving the decks a light rubbing of charcoal does the business? (followed by a squirt of sealant - to seal the charcoal into place - then a light sanding to remove any smudges from the planking? - sounds like a plan to me).

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#3 Posted : 03 July 2010 18:10:41

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Here is what I did for the 3 butt system















Treenails are done by drilling the plank ends and over the marked beams.


You can see the bare wood in this picture, by using a stain of your choice use only a cloth otherwise it will become darker to soon, simply layer, stain, sand back, stain ect. If you used a beeswax rub lightly over the finished stain using natural beeswax. Coat the layers by buffing the dried beeswax, the same goes for Danish Oil, a couple of coats and buff to a satin finish, the more Oil or Beeswax the greater the shine.
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#4 Posted : 03 July 2010 18:26:32

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Hi Colin.
What size thread?
Is it darning thread?

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#5 Posted : 03 July 2010 18:30:36

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The thread I got from the local sewing shop, its Gutermann 100% Linen and looking at the writing on the side 0.50mm, half a mill, the thing about this is it does not fray or is hairey, it would be perfect for rigging IMHO.

I may get more and in different colours. I'll get more info.
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#6 Posted : 03 July 2010 18:33:50

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Here is the 4 Butt Shift System

















And the products used -



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Nice one mate.
Thanks for that.
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#8 Posted : 03 July 2010 19:01:41

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Great info. Colin. I'll definitely give the black thread a try. It looks really good.
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a quick request where did you get the danish oil from
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#10 Posted : 03 July 2010 19:28:08

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Thanks fellas, remember this is only one of many ways, the thread options can be time consuming so if you do decide to go down that route, take your time and be patient.

You can pick Danish Oil from most hardware shop's, Wickes, B&Q, Wilkinsons ect, only go for natural, you can get coloured version's but that will change the colour of the finished wood.


Taken a picture of the thread, as you can see no fluff:)its strong, comes in various shades and cheap.

Have a look here on ebay, stock and price -
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/i...trksid=p3286.m270.l1313


Personally I prefer the smaller width planks, again this would be very time consuming on the Victory, lets see what size planks we get first, but the ideas are still worth looking at.

Remember if you want to try these always use some scarp first, you may like the idea but actually doing it is a whole new world, believe me it is fidley as s*"t

I'll do some more planking using Beeswax next.

Just a point the treenails on the smaller width planks looks a tad on the hard side, I didn't but you can.


As a footnote I have found this article regarding various methods.

http://shipmodeling.net/...k-Caulking-Mock-up.html

http://modelshipworld.co...BB2/viewtopic.php?t=855

http://modelshipworld.co...B2/viewtopic.php?t=3581

http://mysite.verizon.ne...shipmodeler/caulking.htm
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colin, your attention to detail and research deserves commendingBigGrin

As I am painting my victory, am I mistaken tat the decks were white so will the cotton look out of place, sorry to sound dumd but new to wooden kit builds
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[quote=Zeptrader]Thanks fellas, remember this is only one of many ways, the thread options can be time consuming so if you do decide to go down that route, take your time and be patient.

You can pick Danish Oil from most hardware shop's, Wickes, B&Q, Wilkinsons ect, only go for natural, you can get coloured version's but that will change the colour of the finished wood.


Taken a picture of the thread, as you can see no fluff:)its strong, comes in various shades and cheap.

Have a look here on ebay, stock and price -
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/i...trksid=p3286.m270.l1313


Personally I prefer the smaller width planks, again this would be very time consuming on the Victory, lets see what size planks we get first, but the ideas are still worth looking at.

Remember if you want to try these always use some scarp first, you may like the idea but actually doing it is a whole new world, believe me it is fidley as s*"t

I'll do some more planking using Beeswax next.

Just a point the treenails on the smaller width planks looks a tad on the hard side, I didn't but you can.


As a footnote I have found this article regarding various methods.

http://shipmodeling.net/...k-Caulking-Mock-up.html

http://modelshipworld.co...BB2/viewtopic.php?t=855

http://modelshipworld.co...B2/viewtopic.php?t=3581

http://mysite.verizon.ne...hipmodeler/caulking.htm[/quote]

FYI, the deck planking is looking like being 5mm wide Mellow
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Thanks Tomick,
so there we have it 5mm width, sounds about right, my Bounty was the same, and to be honest it doesn't look to bad at that width.

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As I am painting my victory, am I mistaken tat the decks were white so will the cotton look out of place, sorry to sound dumd but new to wooden kit builds


You need to have a search on the net and see what colour you want to paint the decks, I've not seen any white but the net is a big place, if it where white then yes black would look sorta out of place, once you get the planking you need to decide how you want to or if you even want to caulk the decks, there are other options of using paper, different colours thread's, Ink ect.
Have a look at the links I placed in the last post, there are other options.
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comic123 wrote:
colin, your attention to detail and research deserves commendingBigGrin

As I am painting my victory, am I mistaken tat the decks were white so will the cotton look out of place, sorry to sound dumd but new to wooden kit builds


I read in a book from the 70's on how to detail the Airfix Victory, that the decks were coloured off-white.

Maybe Capt Stedders could help with what colour off-white is?Confused
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most impresive how long does it take you to do the small section shown?
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doremi495 wrote:
comic123 wrote:
colin, your attention to detail and research deserves commendingBigGrin

As I am painting my victory, am I mistaken tat the decks were white so will the cotton look out of place, sorry to sound dumd but new to wooden kit builds


I read in a book from the 70's on how to detail the Airfix Victory, that the decks were coloured off-white.

Maybe Capt Stedders could help with what colour off-white is?Confused


The decking on sailing ships of the period were left in their natural wood. The sailors holystoned the decks and washed them down with sea water every morning. When the decks dried out the wood would have been very light coloured. Presumably that is the effect that off-white was meant to achieve on a plastic model.

I am painting my Victory but unless told differently I assume that the deck planking will be left in a natural wood with the kind of staining suggested by Colin in today's excellent demo's. I need to look into getting some of the Danish oil, beginning to see its advantages for a finish.

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These took a few hours to do, by using the Proxxon mini saw I was able to cut the planks to the desired width and thickness, re-sand them on all edges.
But by doing this now gives me an idea on how I will plank the vast amount of decking we will have on the Victory.

I not decided yet on how or what colour to do the decks, I need to see what type of wood we get for the decks, I cant imagine it being anything less than a cheap cut of wood so staining would have to be done, the hull on the other hand may well be darker, will have to wait and see.

I don't know if people have seen or heard of it but by doing a cross section of the hull you can also prepare the method of planking and staining ect for the hull in a similar manning to the above, I am drawing up a plan on paper for this, maybe if I can I'll do it in such a way that can be replicated by anyone here. More to come on that one BigGrin

The biggest advantage on spending this time now is to find out what you like and the ease of the task ahead, scarp wood and a few hours is a small effort with a big gain on a large and expensive ship as the Victory, it also give you a little knowledge and experience if you have not decked or planked a ship before, and believe me if the colour is not to your favour you will feel pretty sick, maybe a little shopping list/sizes of material for this demo would at least give some newcomers the chance to have a go?..and get comfortable with it.

Oh and forgot to say, I didn't actually use any sanding sealant, I have some but didn't use it on this demo, that's not to say you shouldn't.
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Laugh plenty of things there to think off cheers Colin
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Thank you Colin very interesting tut, look forward to rest! Think I will do a practise deck to see wot I prefer before I muck up the real thing! forewarned forearmedBigGrin
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Hi all,
Been messing around with different items to use for trenail, Not found what I like yet but, Went to chelford market today, Pick up medium oak dye and natural antique oil from ronseal. £2 each.
This is my result of the decking.
(This is the material they are using on the decks of HMS Surprise and also they used it on my San Francisco 2. Maybe they will use it on the Victory.)Basswood. 1x5mm.

I dyed them first, then gave a light sanding. I then gave a coat of oil. Gave it 10 mins then used sharpie on the edges. Then glued down.
I used a drawing pin to do the nails and a pencil.


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